The Last Perfect Trilogy? A Back to the Future Retrospective

The Last Perfect Trilogy? A Retrospective on 80s Sci-Fi

We dedicate this episode to the enduring legacy of one of the most beloved movie series of all time: the Back to the Future Trilogy Retrospective. Join the hosts as they ask whether the Robert Zemeckis/Bob Gale creation remains the last “perfect trilogy.” It has not been ruined by legacy sequels or unnecessary updates. Therefore, we celebrate the film’s broad appeal. This appeal, for example, spawned sequels, a video game, comic books, and an official musical.

The Flawless First Film: Script, Casting, and the Clock

The conversation begins with the original 1985 classic. Many fans, including the hosts, consider the script of the first movie “quote unquote perfect.” Because it ties up every element so neatly, it feels flawless. We dive deep into the film’s necessity-driven details. This includes the iconic DeLorean, which originally was not the time machine. Furthermore, we also analyze the genius of the casting. Michael J. Fox’s movement and energy created a radically different Marty McFly compared to the footage of original actor Eric Stoltz.

 

Production Secrets: Time Machines and Ticking Clocks

We explore the secrets behind the film’s production and its legendary tension. Learn about the two bizarre original ideas for the time machine’s power source. The first was a refrigerator, and the second was Coca-Cola to appease a studio. We discuss the famous climax. This climax came from necessity. The production team couldn’t afford the original plan to use a nuclear bomb test to power the DeLorean. Instead, Zemeckis and Gale replaced it with the masterpiece of tension that is the Clock Tower lightning strike. Consequently, this proves the old filmmaker adage: “To add tension in a scene, you add a ticking clock.”

 

The Sequels and Securing the Legacy

The Back to the Future Trilogy Retrospective concludes by examining the sequels. We look at Part II and Part III. Specifically, we discuss the incredible effects work, the fun of the 2015 future sequence, and the amazing transformation of Christopher Lloyd into the older Doc Brown. Finally, we praise Zemeckis and Gale’s stipulation that there will be no remake or sequel during their lifetimes. This secures the trilogy’s perfect, conclusive ending with the time-traveling steam train.

Whether you’re a lifelong fan of time travel movies or new to the series, this episode offers a rich exploration of the magic behind the Back to the Future trilogy. Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with laughter and cinematic mastery.

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Des (00:00.383)
Four. That’s how the numbers work.

Yep, I know this the other one does the counting. This one’s already started recording, but we’ll edit it and let’s fluff out.

Cal (00:12.47)
Okay.

Cal (00:18.19)
Right, hello everyone, welcome back to… Right, hello everyone, welcome back to… Right, I am being heckled by… I’ve got a comedian heckling me, that’s a turn for the books. It’s our job to heckle you, isn’t it? This is just sweet revenge for all the heckles you go… This is sweet revenge for all the heckles you go over year.

Thank

Des (00:40.738)
You’re whatever I-

Right, you know what it feels like.

There no heckles there. was pure joy. That’s all I’m going to say.

All right, okay Cool Hello everyone. Welcome to or cast the official podcast of ocon the the Comic con of the outer hevrdies and it’s great to be back And joining me tonight as of recording for a second night in a row martin. How are doing? Are you still alive?

Yep, still here, good to go and looking forward to chatting with Des tonight.

Cal (01:15.758)
All right, and with that, I don’t think I ever need to introduce my co-host. You all know him, you all love him. And as we said before, he is the guest that keeps on giving. That’s your official title now, Des. But welcome back. As always, Des, it’s great to have you back.

It’s nice to be back. just I have to admit that’s got to be one of the weird and not not for myself. I’ve had some weird introductions before. I was once billed as a gig as Ireland’s own Dez O’Connor, and I don’t know how to feel about that one. You just checked in with Martin. You just checked in with Martin there was just out on the second in the road. Martin, you’re not dead, which I think is the best way of reaching somebody there.

classic way. In the Outer Hebrides if you visit an old person you say I’ll see you tomorrow or I’ll see you next week. The classic answer is yes if I’m spared.

So.

I hate the of such things.

Cal (02:16.014)
Yes and you’ll know this Martin as well if we’re just going to in the outer it’s the only place in the world where you see people just walk up they won’t say hello they won’t say anything they’ll say such and such just died that’s and that’s how you open a conversation.

Oh, you know, that’s how you do it back home in Ireland. with us. Yeah, yeah. Well, many a conversation has started, but they don’t tell you right away who’s died. What they like to do is they give you cryptic clues. Because certain conversations will always start with, you’ll never guess who died. Well, no, I won’t, because there’s eight point nine billion people on the planet. I’m pretty sure it’s going to be somebody in the local vicinity. Do you remember Mary?

Well, there’s a good few Mary’s. Yes, I do remember Mary. Well, Mary’s brother’s sister’s cousin’s aunt’s former roommate has passed away. Who the hell is that? I don’t know. You met him once in 1996. I don’t know this person. I get the general gist of that.

And with all of that out of the way, shall we kind of go on topic maybe? Risk doing that. We are here to celebrate, possibly. I’ll put this to use, back to the few. Is this the last remaining perfect trilogy we have that’s not been spoiled? I think it is.

The last of these 80s property is not being ruined.

Des (03:43.758)
I’m going to have to agree with you on that one. I mean, many people consider the first movie to have a quote unquote perfect script. Because everything gets tied up so perfectly.

Yeah, and there’s not a bad film in this trilogy. There’s ones that aren’t so good, but I think it’s going to be a very different kind of analysis because there’s nothing that’s really awful in these films, but it is, and it’s also probably one of the most beloved franchises as well, of course. It’s got such broad appeal this.

Oh, definitely. mean, if you really think about it, the film, the film was released in 1985 and since then we’ve had two sequels. We’ve had one official video game from Telltale. We’ve had a comic book series and an official musical written.

by Alan Silvestri who wrote the score for the original. Well, he provided stuff for that. So yeah, it is a solid trilogy, definitely, and a solid franchise as well.

And not only that, I think we’ve got to praise Sir Meckas. He’s not gone back to these films. There’s no CGI editions. There’s no… The films you see are what… We’ll just pick on Martin for this. The ones Martin will have seen in the cinema, because you’re old enough to have seen these in the cinema.

Martin (05:20.342)
Yeah, they came out before DVDs were invented. Yeah.

Cal (05:27.63)
If it all ends.

Is that

Is it certainly a bad thing to have seen these in the cinema?

No, no, it’s just a chance to pick on Martin.

fair enough then, fair enough.

Cal (05:40.641)
No, sir.

Not a bad thing at all,

So with that it’s like the problem we had with I don’t think we’ll bother with a rating system for these movies because we all love them Each of them. So the first film I could we’ve a bit of the ghostbuster syndrome here does what can we say about the first film? It’s Not already been said here

What could we say? We could say that it’s crap, but then we’d be lying. I mean, to kind of bring it back a little bit to the Ocon fans, myself and Rick, funny enough, Back to the Future actually holds a lot for myself and Rick.

During one of his fringe runs, we actually co-wrote a Back to the Future song where he played Marty and I busted him dressed as Doc. And when I say dressed as Doc, what it basically means was it was a white coat, a cheap Hawaiian shirt and a horrible wig that you get at Halloween. You know, the one that has the weird four…

Des (06:57.294)
stretchy lined thing across it. So we did that and and find out this is before Rick left Edinburgh. Oh, this is this is one that I’ll always stick with me. We put on a Back to the Future trilogy night on the date that Doc and Marty went in 2015. So we actually showed all three movies.

in our local pub, The Blind Port, that is no longer here in Edinburgh. We performed that at The Blind Port. We did all three movies on October 21st, 2015, which is the date that Doc and Marty travel to in the future.

That’s amazing.

reason.

It was it was just such a good night. played the first movie. There was a pause so people could get drinks. We did like little hub quiz things. We found out so much about these movies that’s that’s still all up here, which is very impressive. And on the. I’m going to get all gushy here.

Martin (08:09.076)
You could cry if you want to but nobody’s going to see it, they’re only going to hear it.

I’ll bring the acting in, OK. myself. Rick was was moving to Birmingham and I think that the Back to the Future night was one of the first nights. So before he left. I actually got a I don’t think it was on the Back to the Future night. I think it was a different night. But I got a photo of the two of us. I’m dressed as Doc. He’s dressed as Marty.

I went and I got it printed out in that old, not black and white, it’s kind of like a beige and black. Like an old timey photo. I have it framed and I have written underneath to Rick, my partner in crime, Des O’Gorman. And then I dated it because that’s the recreation of the photo that Doc gives me in the third movie.

yeah.

Cal (09:11.566)
It’s here.

So this truth deep actually does mean a lot to myself and Rick Ronson.

All right, cool. Well, that’s the first time we’ve not actually been antagonizing Rick Abbott on this show. We’re getting warmed up yet. We’re still to get him on to cast for this first show.

give it time, know, give it, give it time.

Des (09:36.026)
Now you see, I’m the guest that keeps on giving. I’ll make time for yourselves, but Rick, no, he doesn’t have time. all right. Yeah. You see, and now we’re back on track.

You are there.

We’ll until we tell Rick that Dez was on first.

You don’t need to tell Nick anything because let’s face it, if the man actually stumbles across this podcast, I’d love for him to just come up to me and just like, what did you say about me in this podcast? So.

Yeah.

Martin (10:07.502)
It’s funny when you mentioned about doing the showing the trilogy in October 2015. Although I like the movies, you know, I didn’t realise they had quite such a big following. I looked it up and saw that it was one of the biggest, you know, one of the biggest movie trilogies, one of the biggest movies to start with, and then subsequently one of the biggest movie trilogies. But I also interested in saying that

In 2015, the internet chatter around the world, October 2015, was awash with geekies discussing Back to the Future. It was the most chatted about subject on October 25, 2015.

I didn’t know that that was a collective noun term for us. Geekies, I like that. Geeks.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah.

I don’t think it’s,

Martin (11:07.864)
Geeks for normal people, but back to the trilogy watchers, geekies.

Well, that’s not fast.

And I think we, it’s also like going back to Ghostbusters, it’s interesting because we see it as this kind of fun family film without ignoring the major plot element here. Like in Ghostbusters, there’s that certain scene with Dan Aykroyd and the ghost that’s, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, we can’t get to that here.

Yeah.

Can you expand on that please, Callum? What are you talking about?

Des (11:40.627)
Yes, yes, Calum, break through that particular scene, please.

I watched the ITV version, so there you go.

It works, but okay.

But yeah, the major plot point of this film, because I think it was Michael, you know, Michael Spicer, comedian, I’m guessing. Did you see his clip when he was like sitting down with and said, oh, son, I’ve really wanted to watch this film with you. It’s great family film. It was back to you. What’s it about? And he describes the part and his son’s just looking at him what?

Yeah.

Des (12:18.562)
Yeah, it’s not the best film to sum up because, funny enough, it was the synopsis that nearly stopped this film from getting made.

Yeah, because I think, did they go to Disney with us and Disney were just instant no.

It was an instance, you know, because of the quote unquote incestual element to it, which is not there in any way, or form.

Martin (12:52.728)
I’d say for my opinion, it’s lighthearted enough on the subject matter to be taken in the comedic value that it’s worth. But I also read online that it was knocked back about 40 times from the studio before it was finally accepted.

Well, it’s also to do with the background of it. Zemeckis was not on a good run as a director at the time, I recall. He’d had like films that were well received but at flop bad. it was just, the only reason he got to make was his romance in the stone had just been a huge hit for him. And that’s kind of what, that’s what got this film made really.

Yeah, they had apparently they had this film on the back burner for a long, a long, long time, but they didn’t want to settle with just getting like a writing credit. They wanted to actually get a writing credit, a producer credit and Zemeckis to direct it. And I’m glad that they held out because it definitely adds something more to it by doing it.

I can’t imagine anybody else directing it other than Tomekka.

Yeah, I mean, that’s much to say. was before he got too sentimental with things because his later films are kind of a bit saccharine at times to put up with.

Des (14:14.766)
It can be, but I think with the way things are now, sometimes a bit of saccharine is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, it could be needed during these times we’re in right now. And the other thing you’ve got to remember is like, there’s so much about this film that you think it was all planned out, but there’s so much which was just done out of pure necessity. The DeLorean, the iconic vehicle, that was never really the original idea. I think you know, Des, what the original time machine was.

Yeah.

Des (14:46.966)
I do indeed, I just want to see if Martin has any idea what…

I have no idea. thought it was the good old Belfast produced DeLorean from the word go.

yes, John DeLorean, here’s another topic.

Yeah, that’s another topic for definitely a different type of podcast. No, was originally, if I remember right, was originally supposed to be a fridge or, yeah, it was supposed to be a fridge. And this is how close they were to changing things. anybody tell me how it was supposed to be powered?

can’t remember that.

Des (15:30.252)
Wasn’t plugging into the wall, no. Calum, you want to take a guess?

Okay.

I can’t remember now. I know I’ve read this, but I’ve forgotten. So you’re upping me on the trivia here.

Coca-Cola.

Des (15:44.864)
It was originally supposed to be powered by Coca-Cola as a way to get Columbia on board because they were owed by Coke at the time. And if I remember this correctly, see this is by doing that trilogy, a lot of stuff in my head. The initial accident was somebody was supposed to knock over a can onto the control panel. And that’s what made the time machine malfunction.

Yeah.

brought Marty back to the future. But no, think it was changed to, well, it was changed partly because they didn’t want kids to get trapped in fridges, which is a good idea, I think. In theory, yeah, it depends on the child. I think they changed it to the DeLorean for one joke.

Yeah, it’s when the farmer’s kid who comes out and he’s reading a sci-fi magazine and the DeLorean look the most futuristic and kind of alienish.

Good old old man Peabody with his pine farm. Breeding pine trees. Yeah.

Cal (17:03.756)
The dream of the beat.

Breeding pine trees. It’s a dream for anybody out there, if you really think like it. But I’m glad that it got changed to, as Martin said, the Belfast made 1981 DeLorean. Despite the fact… Can I go off on tangents, Calum? Feel free to stop being a little…

That’s what you’re here for.

good tangent days. That’s what I’m here for. I actually I found this out as well is that the original 1981 DeLorean What what’s the speeds that the car has to go to in order to travel through time?

88

Martin (17:49.063)
Yeah

The Original Delorean could not make 88 miles an hour.

Yes, it’s a notoriously awful car.

It’s all right. got OK. Right. I promised I’ve already cleared this with my wife. So I get to tell this story. All right. About about a month or so when I first met Yolanda, we went to I was hired to do a car show outside of Edinburgh. I can’t remember where exactly it was now, but they had.

a 1981 DeLorean that was made up to look like the DeLorean from Back to the Future.

Martin (18:29.975)
So would the guy.

Well, it was a guy and so we went there and I was dressed in my Doc brown costume and the whole thing was that I was meant to walk around his Doc brown to try and sell programmers and It was a nice sunny day. I was there with my girlfriend. I didn’t take the job too seriously You can still hire me by the way. I do take jobs very professionally now You laughed way too hard at that Calum, but thanks for that

And we were there with the DeLorean and it looked gorgeous. was a beautiful car. And the guy said, I’ve got to drive this down to the display tent. Do you want to ride in the DeLorean? Even before the sentence was out, the bag with the programs was off my shoulder thrust into the arms of this woman that I’d known for a month. I got to sit in the DeLorean and we’re driving down. So like the time circuits are there.

The flux capacitor is fluxy behind me. And I remember turning to the guy and I said, this is amazing. You’ve done incredible work. What’s the hardest thing about owning a DeLorean? And he turned to me with this Vietnam veteran look in his eyes and he said, owning an effing DeLorean. You’re 100 % right, Calum The car is terrible and you can’t get the parts for it anymore.

But he said that because he hires the car out for car shows, the thing he says that he hires it the most for is wedding days so that couples can get photos with the DeLorean. He said that by doing that, he’s paid for the car four times over. But he has to take it everywhere on the back of a low loader because the car can’t do long journeys anymore.

Cal (20:31.406)
I don’t think I could to begin with a DeLorean kind of long journey.

You mean, I mean, what, something with a V6 Vauxhall engine in the body of a stainless steel vehicle? Of course it couldn’t do that. It was a terrible combination of things. But you have to admit, the sound and the look of it in the movie, it holds up even to this day.

Yeah, it did serve its purpose so well and it’s just so iconic now. And the weirdest thing is, it’s like, it’s almost like the proton-packing Ghostbusters. It’s not in the film that often really. Like in the first film.

I thought you were gonna bring up Ecto-1, but no, you went straight to the Proton Pack.

Well, yeah, but let’s the proton packs, I someone measured like in the first, do know how often they’re fired in the first Ghostbusters phone?

Des (21:30.134)
In the first one they’re fired

A total time.

Oh, wait, no. you OK? Hang on. Give me a second. So the boys fired there. Ray fires there. Sedgwick. So look at that. So there’s three there. One there, one there. And then on the roof. And then when they’re firing at Stapoft and then when they’re crossing the streets, I think it’s a total of 10 times that it’s fired.

In total screen time it’s one minute 33. That’s how often they’re fired in the film or something.

I mean, yeah, now don’t get me wrong. I love Ghostbusters, as you can clearly see from my background, and I love that in the future. But if you’re walking out of either movie, saying to yourself, wow, the proton packs are amazing, you’ve missed the entire point of the movie.

Martin (22:06.702)
this network.

Cal (22:23.19)
Yeah, but it’s just to compare like, you they aren’t so iconic, but it’s just how they’re used to the story. It serves us so well that it becomes memorable. It’s not because they’re there all the time, which is what modern films do. Like we know if there was the dreaded legacy sequel to this, you would have, well, they wouldn’t dare go for a cyber truck for us. They would use the DeLorean and it would be doing crazy acrobatics and all that, which it never needed to do.

But think about this. mean, Ghostbusters was kind of set up in a way where they could do a legacy sequel. You can’t do that with Back to the Future because the DeLorean, it’s spoiler alert, by the way. I mean, the movie’s 40 years old. If I’m throwing a spoiler alert now, something’s going wrong. But the DeLorean gets destroyed at the end of the third movie and Doc and Clara fly off on the

time travelling steam train. The film is the end. That’s it.

But the

Cal (23:28.386)
Yep, that is, and I’ve got to say that it’s going to sound weird, but that’s the best thing about it. The end, conclusive, done, no more. They’ve finished it there and they’ve closed the door. Perfect. That’s an end so well. Just be friends again. And the last word, Doc said, your future’s not set. Make it a good one. You leave just with a good vibe.

Everything

Des (23:51.402)
Yeah, exactly. They’ve told the stories that they ever had to tell. They couldn’t really do a legacy sequel with it. I’m keen and glad that they’re not going to.

you know, you just know someone has there’s a script writer out there who’s done the legacy sequel. I’m yeah.

Yeah, somebody’s written it, but there is a stipulation because Zemeckis and Gail still own the rights to this that they said that in their lifetime, there’s not going to be a remake or a sequel. So we still have a bit of time.

Yeah.

Cal (24:31.288)
So you know what this means. We’re just gonna have to keep them on ice. And then every time the rumor starts up, every time the rumor starts up, just defrost them so they can just go no and then back.

Can we not just get a phone file? I’m sure AI would be able to do that for us now.

Does that mean it’s true there’s going to be a new series of Firefly?

my god.

Really great point.

Des (24:57.336)
Callum, you’re closer to me. You’re closer to Martin. After this show, could you go and hit him for me for that one?

Martin (25:08.738)
could tell you how many times I’ve been lured in by that little adverts on Google giving it new Firefly just about to come out and I’m like, yes and I click on it and then it’s like, no it’s not.

No, it’s not and it probably won’t be no… Let’s focus on the good.

But let’s

Yeah, but I have to say this, I’m surprised, but the movie business is sleazy. Yep. Shocker, shocker everyone. But you just know when Zemeckis and Gail pass away, they’ll put it into motion. I just can’t see Hollywood not going restraining themselves. They’ll have been chopping at the bit to do this. Yeah.

Probably, but we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. Let’s just focus on what we have now.

Cal (25:58.124)
Yeah, and like, it’s like I say, like, and also the casting of Michael J. Fox, genius, but we almost didn’t get that.

You know the story. Of course I know the story. Yeah, Eric Stoltz.

Good.

Cal (26:15.17)
Yeah, a great actor. And you can go online and look up the footage of Eric Stoltz’s Marty McFly. And this is, you’re ever, I know some of you, if you’re ever curious just even how just body language is so much a part of acting, because there’s no sound on the Eric Stoltz clips, but you can just see how radically different the character is just by the way he moves.

He’s got this weird intensity to him in like certain scenes. I know the scene you’re all about. It’s the scene in the diner where George is eating some sort of oatmeal or breakfast cereal. And then Eric comes into frame. Or so I should say Marty. But you see Eric Stoltz do it and you see Michael J. Fox do it. one of them looks like he’s shocked to see his father. And one of them.

looks like he’s just found the target that’s going to be assassinated. Let me figure out which actor brings what performance.

And there’s also the other scene when he’s first walking through the town centre of Hill Valley. And it’s just them stumbling about and it’s just so fascinating to watch the two actors just how differently just the movements.

Yeah. Yeah, it is. is crazy to see because you see Michael J. Fox, dude, and he’s his Marty is is just so overwhelmed with everything that’s going on. He’s trying to figure out what’s happening. But you see Eric Stolster, but he doesn’t look like he’s overwhelmed. It looks like he’s just strutting about a weird energy that he’s bringing.

Cal (27:53.869)
Yeah.

Cal (27:57.94)
it’s think it’s fame it was famously quoted Eric Stoltz said he thought the film was a tragedy that Marty McFly was a tragic character in it that’s how he interpreted but it just shows you like how different actors can look at the same thing and just because you’ve studied acting this haven’t you if I’m yeah so like so this is your kind of area that you were on here

I have indeed. Yep.

Des (28:19.662)
I personally think that what Eric Stoltz did was that he read the script but he didn’t see Marty McFly, he saw the word martyr and he came to that. So I don’t think it was an acting choice, I think his dyslexia kicked in and he just misread the character’s name.

Yeah. And what else can we say? There’s like all these elements that seem and even the clock tower at the end. Oh, what you don’t know. You think that was perfectly scripted. The lightning hits the clock tower and Christopher Lloyd, Harold Lloyd’s. You think, oh, that’s just so perfectly written. And yet that was just necessity as well, caused the original ending. They couldn’t afford that. So they had to change it to that. which Martin?

Yeah, go on.

Martin, here we go. What do you think was the original ending? How were they going to jump start the DeLorean?

Go on.

Des (29:16.824)
Good night.

That’s a good question. If they didn’t have a striking light. Let me see. explosion maybe.

there you go. On the right, it was a, you can add bomb tests that we’re going to use for it.

Yep. Yeah.

Martin (29:35.598)
Okay.

Yeah, which personally…

Health and safety, mate, not I wanted them to do that.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the DeLorean could probably take a nuclear blast, but I don’t think the thin plexiglass windows would have really survived. Personally, I can see where they were going with that. It’s the 50s, it’s nuclear testing. I understand that. But changing it to what we have now is so much better. So much because it

does what I think it was Hitchcock always said about filmmaking was how do you create tension in a scene? Does anybody know this?

Cal (30:28.75)
I don’t know the rest of it, sorry.

To add tension in a scene, you add a ticking clock.

Yeah, absolutely.

down to something. So by setting it where Doc and Marty has exactly four minutes to get the DeLorean set and to leave on time so that the two, the lightning hits the clock tower, goes down the line and across the wire to instantly make contact. That is a perfect example of a ticking clock because you have it where the two characters are together.

Doc’s got everything set up. Marty’s just gotten back from the enchantment down by the sea. Dan has got his parents together. And there’s also that brilliant underlining storyline of Marty trying to tell Doc what happened on the night that he went back in time. So he’s written that letter. So there’s another element in there.

Des (31:26.37)
But then the characters separate. So you have Doc on the clock tower trying to reconnect the cable and you have Marty on the end of the street trying to turn on the DeLorean in order to get the engine going in time for the alarm clock to go off. There’s so many elements in there. Yeah. But it works so well because you don’t. Because this it only the downside of it being a trilogy is that

You know that Marty is going to do whatever he needs to do because there’s part two and three. You know that coming. But when that originally came out, you didn’t know what was going to happen. tension is constantly there and you have Alan Silvestri’s brilliant score helping to underline everything. It’s a masterpiece in tension building.

Yeah, and I think we just, you touched on the script there. It’s pretty much one of the few films that could say what the script is to, as far as I can see, flawless. It is such a tight script. It’s like every line of dialogue contributes, every joke means something. There’s no throwaway line or a throwaway scene. Like every scene adds to the plot, forwards the story. And it’s not a complicated plot, but it keeps it going. So

It just whistles by at a good pace.

They really have to set in a lot of things in a very short amount of time, but it doesn’t feel forced. We learn organically that Marty and Doc are friends. We don’t know how they’re friends, but we know that they’re friends. We know that Marty’s got a girlfriend. And then when he finishes school and goes home, we see that his father is a weakling and a bully.

Des (33:22.606)
that he’s married his, I think it’s fair to say his childhood sweetheart, but they’re in very much a loveless marriage. then everything sort of transpires from that. You see Marty going to see Doc test out his latest experiment. We also see Doc getting gunned down.

Yeah.

Des (33:50.882)
When Marty goes back in the past, you have a certain structure there of like, well, he’s interrupted his parents meeting. He needs to get back home and he needs to try and save his friend and his own life. And it’s just, it’s perfect. Cause it could easily have just gone off the rails, but it’s a super tight script and a good director that knows the parts of when to cut in the edit.

that really help cement that.

Yeah, because like there’s one scene and this was pointed out now, there was another retrospective done, like the Chuck Berry scene. And I never realised this, that actually, as well as the joke that Chuck Berry, know, Marty invents rock and roll by accident, it serves another purpose, which I didn’t realise. see when he comes off stage, it’s that Lorraine’s lost all remaining attraction to Marty. Because if you watch it,

And

Cal (34:52.429)
Her body language has changed. she goes, that was very… Yeah, and you don’t really realise, but that’s just good film language there. said, that’s like, Lorraine is now completely about George.

That is a fair point. I never thought of it as that. yeah, you’re 100 % right. She is a lot more closed off when Marty leaves the stage than she was in the car part. Yeah.

flirty body language has gone, she’s closed off and it’s definitely all about George for her from that point on.

definitely. Yeah, God. I’ve not picked up on that one. I’m gonna have to go back and re-watch it again. no.

Yeah.

Cal (35:39.732)
That’s two times in a row I’ve got you to look at something different.

Yeah, that was a nice, yeah.

And yeah, you’ve mentioned the score and we can’t but not mention Huey Lewis’s amazing contribution, which again, this bucked the trend at the time because it doesn’t mention any, the plot of the film isn’t really in the song, but it the movie so perfectly.

It’s used sporadically throughout the movie, but it works perfectly for it because it is the song of the movie. it’s really, I mean, how the hell could you write a song about back to the future entitled Back to the Future? It doesn’t work. know, back in time, that works really well. The power of love, the two of them work perfectly. And you instantly know that they are from Back to the Future.

Yeah, and of course there is a cameo from Huey Lewis as well. You know that?

Des (36:40.66)
Of course I do. I’m afraid you guys are just too darn loud.

Damn! I don’t think you knew she says that bit. I didn’t realise that.

Yeah, the music teacher that tells Marty and his band, by the way, the Pinheads, terrible name for a band. Yeah. That they can’t play the dance because their music is just too darn loud.

And the song, and of course the plain power of love to Huey Lewis, which adds to the joke as well.

Exactly, just seriously the pinheads, it’s a that’s a terrible name.

Cal (37:19.34)
Yeah, think there’s not much else we can really say. it was, as Zamek has said, it was fairly obvious. We thought we made it obvious to everyone there was going to be no sequel at the end. That very last shot was a joke. They said they were having the DeLorean flying. They said that was just us going a little bit off the rails to end the film.

I wish they didn’t do that. Because Jennifer is really wasted in the second and third, which better just be appearing in the third movie until the end. But I kind of wish that they had maybe had Doc pick up Marty and then they just fly off in the future. kind of wish Jennifer wasn’t there.

Yeah, because that’s the other thing said if we were playing a sequel, Jennifer would have been left behind at the end of the first one. Instead of that was the intention. Yeah.

the

I don’t think in the mid-80s it was acceptable for the hero not to get the heroine to get his girl at the end of the movie. It was a very western style movie. Not as much as the third one, but still. American feel to it. The hero has to get the girl at the end, otherwise audiences will be crying and giving bad reviews.

Des (38:30.25)
Yeah, we are.

Western

Des (38:40.482)
That’s is fair. need to kind of wrap it up. Yeah, I mean, I dad is if there was anything that I will change in the movie that just probably would have been my my one small edit, which is just leave Jennifer behind. Don’t bring Jennifer.

Yeah, because yeah, then they’re forced to do that thing at the start. The second one is Doc has to knock her out to basically to get her out the way for the story to carry on. So that brings us on to the second.

Which could be frowned upon in this day.

It very much could have. mean, let’s not go there. Let’s keep this a little bit later. But I see where you’re coming from.

Yeah. So with that.

Martin (39:23.482)
Before we leave number one, I’m sure this will come up in number two, but Marty McFly’s father, is it George? Yeah, was played by…

George McFly, yep.

Cal (39:38.51)
Crispin Globo.

Yeah, yeah. It’s the very same Crispin Glover who later becomes the thin man in Charlie’s Angels.

The very interesting

Yeah.

Des (39:49.548)
That is very much correct. That is the same Crispin Glover. Yep.

Thank

I’m where? That’s a bit like you.

He’s a very interesting character, Crispin Glover, if you’ve heard the stories about him. He’s quite eccentric, to say the least.

Well you did realise that his father played one of the henchmen in Diamonds Are Forever, right?

Martin (40:13.004)
no, did not know that, wow.

Yeah, of course, Khaled knew that. Yeah, the two henchmen, Mr. Wit and Mr. Kidd, that go after Sean Connery through Diamonds Are Forever, one of them is Chris McClover’s father. Bonus fact.

And if you want to see Crispin Glover Unleashed, it’s at Friday the 13th, part six he’s in. It’s one of the Friday and he is just, he is Crispin Glover in that film. That’s what everyone says.

Very interesting.

Des (40:46.67)
Did they just allow the Christmas level to go to 11th? Did they just turn that off?

It was yanked up to 11. There’s an infamous scene where he’s dancing and then there’s another scene where he starts, something happens and he has to let out this series of swears and he puts in some, for some reason every second word was Christmas and they just look, why are you saying Christmas over and no one, everyone just went, it’s Crispin Glover.

All right. Well, you know what? I’m literally on my phone now. I’m going to type this into Google just to have this on memory.

Crispin Glover swearing Friday the 13th. That’s an interesting combination of words you’ve got there. But yeah, with that, we shall move on to the second film. I think this is the weakest of the three, isn’t it? think it’s fair to but I find it the most, it’s the most interesting. It’s the most creative, I would say. There’s some incredible.

Yeah, for the longest time, and say for the longest time, I meant when I was a little small bambino, this was my favorite of all the trilogy. Not anymore. It’s not to say that it’s a bad, a bad movie or anything like that, far, far from it. I just think that it doesn’t have the same

Des (42:17.454)
See, the same sort of elements as number one and number three has. There’s just something slightly off in it.

Yeah.

Cal (42:24.93)
Yeah, but I think it is the most interesting idea of all of them, like to go back and re-examine the first movie and also the craziness they put into the future sequence.

Yeah. mean, you already know all this, Callum Zemeckis has gone on record saying that he never likes movies going into the future because they always get everything wrong. So he just decided to make everything into a joke. to his credit, a lot of the things he did kind of get right, things like video, video calling.

Yeah, 3D movies, Fax machine still being around in 2025. He definitely got those things right. I would. Everybody says, oh, I’ve wanted to own a hoverboard. No, you don’t want to a hoverboard because most people, and I’m including myself in this one, can’t stand on a skateboard. Do you want to stand on anything that has absolutely no friction at all?

play off at any time. That’s horrible. But there’s a lot of good stuff in that future element but they don’t stay in all that long which I appreciate.

Yeah, I think it’s definitely a film where I think the parts are greater than the whole here. There’s lots of good little bits, but I think Sir Mexa said he regrets that he didn’t have enough time to work on it because they were obviously working on three because they did the two of back to back. So he a lot of his attention and he said he would love to have gone back and put his full attention into it because he said it was the most interesting idea we had of the trilogy.

Des (44:14.446)
If that was him not at his full attention, I give credit because the attention to detail is definitely there of seeing the first movie, but from a different point of view. that’s a brilliant idea. And I think he definitely nails it. And if he said that that wasn’t him giving the full attention, that’s more credit to him than anything else.

Yeah

I don’t want to sound like a stick in the mud, you know, or an old cynic, right? I did read online, right, that after the first movie, Robert Zemeckis and Bob

K.O. is Bob Gill.

Gail, yeah. Said that there wasn’t going to be any sequel. Immediately after the first movie, they said, no sequel, done. And then it turned out to be one of the biggest blockbusters. It was the biggest blockbuster of that year, of its release in 1985. And it was holding its own water. And that the studio then said, well,

Martin (45:37.966)
We’re making the sequels whether you’re doing it not.

I’m not surprised by that.

for that amount of money, you know, it’s business. We love it as show business, but it’s business. So I’ve got a feeling they were pressured into it, but considering that and that they were forced into doing it. Yeah, they certainly pulled off something worthwhile. the fact that, you know, we had Star Trek starting in 66. Let’s plug Star Trek as much as we can. had Star Trek starting in 66. And, you know, the outer limits, all sorts of things.

Yeah.

Martin (46:13.506)
There was no stranger to time travel. But I think that in many instances, time travel was getting stuck in a lot of serious things where you had to think about it and people weren’t sure what had happened. And I think that back to the future and certainly back to the future too, they certainly pulled off making a story where there was time travel.

Quite complicated time travel, but easy to understand. In the movie, you didn’t have to sit and think about it would that have worked?

Yeah, it’s my next connect. Yeah.

What the…

Go carry on. Sorry.

Des (47:01.486)
Yeah, I’m just gonna say they did something in this movie that was never really addressed before, or at least in my recollection, was that usually time travel was, you know, a wish was made or in Star Trek, in you go around the event horizon of a song to gather up enough momentum to travel through time, all this tape is done. But they always seem to do the thing that

was, in my opinion now, a big no-no, which is that they also travelled through space, where the wish would take them to Camelot in King Arthur’s even though the main protagonist was in San Francisco. What Back to the Future did was that they set up that they would travel through time, but not space. They would travel where they were.

they would always be, they would just leap backwards. So everything is set within Hill Valley. So you’ve got to see the history of Hill Valley. You’ve got to see what it looked like in 1885. You’ve got to see what it looked like in 1955, what it looked like in 1985, and then you’ve got to look at it in 2015. So you’ve got to see that time span, which I personally, I love them for doing that because they could have easily have just went, we could travel in time, so we’ll just

You know, we’ll travel to London, England in 1912. It’s just setting off. They could have easily have just done something like that, but they decided to keep it localized in one area, which I always appreciated that they did that.

That probably also helped to make it easier to follow.

Des (48:50.83)
Exactly, because you instantly know where, you don’t instantly know where everything is, but you know there’s going to be certain locations. You’re going to see the clock tower, you’re going to see Hill Valley Square or the McFly household, you’re going to see these elements and they more or less remain the same. So geographically, you kind of know where everything is.

Yeah, because in each film they have that same scene three times when Marty walks into the town square at the time. In fact, it’s four times because you have it in 85 as well. He walks around and you get the idea that sets up and then 55 you see the difference 2015. It’s like really, yeah, it’s like repeating the same scene. just works so well and serves each of the stories so well. But the other thing, the other…

Yeah.

Cal (49:42.658)
Forget we’re back to the future too, it’s actually the only one that’s quite special effects heavy. yeah, the special effects are amazing in this for the time. It’s like one.

Yeah, I still think they hold up to a certain degree. I mean, if you actually look at it now, it is really bizarre to say this, but if you look at the makeup of Michael J Fox in Back to the Future 2 and whoever played Biff, can’t remember his name now. That’s going to be… I’m trying to remember the actor’s name though.

Lieutenant.

Des (50:24.561)
my god, it’s… Is it Michael G. Wilson?

Is that? Yes, I think that’s it.

Yeah, thank God, I I was going to have a seizure there. When you look at their makeup then and how they look now, they weren’t that far off.

Yeah and especially with Doc Brown as well like that’s what Chris Lloyd looks like now they kind of nailed that so well. I will say.

Even- Yeah, sorry, go ahead Cam.

Cal (50:55.896)
See in the second one when he pulls off the makeup. And it’s only what I’ve watched on Blu-ray now. Because see on TV, I know there’s no difference. His face is, I think that was just because it was standard depth, but in the high depth you can actually see the before. Yeah, it’s only something you notice. That’s just one of these kind of things. Because I was so used to watching on VHS and TV.

Well, you didn’t pick up on those things on VHS back in the day. But obviously that was just to get make sure that he didn’t have to wear the the 1985 Doc Brown makeup, which I appreciate more than that. But more to the point, I was just going to say, have we made it? Let me see. We’re 50 minutes into this. How have none of us praised

Christopher Lloyd’s performance of Dark Grown!

No, right. Because there’s so much to please.

His performance is amazing as Dark Bro.

Cal (51:56.672)
And he was not a, and again, this is one of these, he was not a comedic actor. He wasn’t that well known as a comedic. He was quite serious. He did do Taxi, yeah, didn’t he?

He did do Taxi, he was also in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. He has done a few things here and there, but he was, I don’t think he was known as…

an energetic kind of.

Exactly. Yeah. My God, the man. was he is incredible. Even even now, I mean, I know this is an audio thing and you can’t see this. I’m sitting with my laptop here. I just said to write just off camera. I have this frame display. I’ll send a photo to for you for this voice.

Yeah, fine.

Des (52:50.798)
But in this display, I’ve got my out of time license plate. I have my 2015 license plate. My wife actually got me an official USA Today from October 21st, 2015 that did a recreation of the newspaper from Back to the Future 2. So that’s very nice as well. And underneath it, there’s a photo of my friend at a convention.

who took my 2015 license plate and got it signed by Christopher Lloyd. I’m looking at that right now and every time I see that, I’m always amazed at just how amazing his performance is. The hair, the hand gestures, it’s in…

Get out!

Cal (53:37.838)
And it’s even, it’s the eyes as well, really expressive eyes. That’s, because I think they said that like they had so, they did so many takes, it was so different. did, he would do something different each time and you just couldn’t, and they were all amazing. And they just said they never realized how versatile he was as an actor until he turned up on the set.

There you go. You see, just give the right actor the right script and just let them develop a character and magic can happen.

Yeah.

They could turn into a Klingon if you’re not careful. you you’ve got to watch out.

You are slipping in so many Star Trek references.

Martin (54:19.7)
Is this not about the Star Trek trilogy?

the

feel like dust.

have to be pointed out, Cupp does steal Christopher Lloyd’s ships, which when it hits a certain speed does go back in time.

Yes, I have seen that meme as well. Yes, I have seen that. I knew that was coming.

Cal (54:43.394)
But

But I’ve got to say, interesting would it be to see Marty and the dog go back to try to save the whales? That would be quite an interesting plot.

I think it will pull off.

I don’t know why I’m doing a Morty from Rick and Morty, I don’t know why I’m that impression but that would have been intriguing. I would have loved to have seen him try and fit two wheels into a 1981 DeLorean but you know.

Des (55:16.908)
No way that thing’s gonna hit 88 miles an hour now.

Even though you bring up Brick and Morty, but that’s the other thing because it’s influenced a lot of these mad scientist character. Like I think he basically came up with a blueprint for a mad scientist. It was already there, but he really took it to another level.

Well, he took it in a different direction because the the mad scientist look was there. But when you think of that, you think of Frankenstein before that, you would think of a mad scientist of like, it’s alive, it’s alive. But now you think mad scientist, you think Albert Einstein hair, you think of either a Hawaiian shirt or a white hazmat suit. You think great Scott. He has kind of.

slipped into the cultural zeitgeist now for that he definitely

Yeah, it’s kind of weird when you think of it like he’s now influenced how people think about Albert Einstein. I bet you would think they probably imagine Albert Einstein speaking like Dog Brown when they’re much older to hear.

Des (56:19.788)
And then you watch AppleTV and you’re like, he’s not making any jokes at all. He’s not putting up with any catchphrases. I don’t like this version of…

What a sightseeing

That’s going to be a very different.

the roads what did Einstein ever do for that?

Are you?

Des (56:38.242)
You’re to put Python into this, because I’ll appreciate it.

Yeah, everyone in the comments just tell us what Einstein did anyway. What did he ever do for us?

Apart from the moustache and the roads, what did he do for it?

What are you doing boys? It’s like you’re trying to get the internet to attack you right now. And I’m bored.

Well, what’s the worst? Remember my charity steam when we went to the comments there? This what’s the worst that can happen?

Cal (57:11.808)
Okay.

Martin (57:18.114)
They even look like that. They based them on Christopher Lloyd when they reinvented them.

Of course, Doc Brown went back in time and actually told him to throw the mustache and pull his hair out and that’s where that came from.

That’s the legacy sequel, Doc Brown goes Einstein Fashion Tips.

Hahaha.

No, but it’s good to there’s one special effects shot which is flawless and it’s no… see when the DeLorean’s coming in to land at Lionie States and you see it flying. Yeah. And they seamlessly cut that together and you can’t… And it just goes behind a lamppost and it’s just like a flawless… And it’s just a… It should have won an award just for pulling that shot off alone at the time.

Des (57:58.902)
It was that is amazing. It’s little things like when when Doc meets or talks to his 1955 self and he passes him the spanner behind the lamppost as well. It’s those little things I find very, very impressive.

Yeah, because it is. It’s like high and a lot of people say it should have really been nominated, but I think it’s because it didn’t get that great a reception and the Oscars. Well, yeah, I don’t put too much stock in them anymore.

It’s very rare that the Oscars would actually give awards to sequels.

the

I think Lord of the Rings kind of beat that trend but if you look back at the Oscars it’s very rare that you will see a sequel winning any sort of award.

Cal (58:57.858)
Yeah. But yeah, it’s like I said about the energy of the first one, the second one, it feels like it’s on some kind of drugless one that is like off the wall a bit at times.

It’s a lot slower paced. I think they’re setting, they spend a lot of time setting up a lot of things. So, you know, they go into, they go into 2050. They also set up this this new story of Marty getting upset when somebody calls him chicken, which was never in the first one, which is very surprising. I honestly, for some strange reason, had like this Mandela effect that it was in the first one, but it’s not.

And so they set that up. Then they set up Marty getting the almanac and then they’ve got to try and rescue Jennifer, which leaves the DeLorean open for Biff to take it and give it back to his younger self and then bring the DeLorean back. Then they’ve got to explain what an alternate timeline is to the audience. And then they’ve got to find out where old Biff gave it to

to his younger self and then they’ve got to go back and get that. There’s a lot. There’s a lot to cram in. Like what we were saying about the first movie, there is a lot of stuff in there, but it’s perfectly packed as like touchless blocks falling into place. With this one, it had to do a lot. In my opinion, they had to do a lot, lot more to really get that across. And to the most part, they did it.

Yeah, check that out.

Des (01:00:40.763)
It still could have been tightened here or there, I think.

Yeah. So like I said, they felt they just didn’t get enough time to really polish this film off. See, I’m the opposite to you. I never liked this one when I was younger, but I’ve grown to appreciate it more as I get older. Because it’s just, and it’s more the, I think it’s the technical stuff. It’s just technically it’s quite impressive. And it’s the only one that’s really special effects heavy as well. Like none of the others have any huge special effects scenes.

Well, the first one only has a few, that’s only when the DeLorean is traveling through time. And the third one does have, we’ll get to the third one. But yeah, the one in the middle, number two, think personally, I think I liked it because of the whole future thing of like the self-tape shoes and the adjustable jacket and all this weird technology. And I thought that was really cool. But when you go back and look at it now.

There’s a lot that they have to get through and they do do it, but by the end you feel exhausted.

Yeah. You know, but yeah. And then the 1955 stuff just feels like a rest. Like it’s a bit of a good, all that done.

Des (01:01:56.61)
Yeah, does. mean, if I mean, I don’t know how they would have done it, but if they had more time in 1955 where you got to see a lot more of what had happened through a different Marty’s point of view, I think that would have worked out a lot better.

Yeah, it’s quite an interesting thought there. And with that, shall we move on to number three, which it’s like the Last Crusade of this film. Like Last Crusade was kind of basically a remake of it was a very loose remake. they introduced like this, like and that one they focus on Indy’s dad and this one they focused more on Doc’s character. was like it was a love letter to Doc as well.

This one really focuses on on Doc, and I really appreciate that for that, because in the first two movies, he did kind of feel part McGuffin where he was just there to expose a dialogue and and get the tactical jargon across and to help Marty out, because Marty’s always falling into things and all that type of stuff. But with this one, it really focuses in on.

on Doc’s love of Jules Verne, his love with Clara, which, by the way, as an onscreen couple go, my God, they work so well. They have got so much great chemistry there. And it ties everything up really, really nice with another ticking clock tension scene at the end.

Fantastic.

Des (01:03:38.304)
Yeah, because the second one, yeah, they do have this thing of like, have to get the magazine back from Biff, but there’s no time. There’s no, you know, taking time. You don’t have to get it back from him right away. You could wait a day and get it off him that way. There’s no ticking clock to it.

Yeah, but the only reason they did it on the night was so they could have the lightning hit the DeLorean at the end and send Doc back. was really, because yeah. Yeah. But no, it’s and it’s also a love letter to Western films. It’s just and it’s a really this is the sentimental one. always say it’s got more of a sentimental core and it’s all about it. And again, like I said, very much like Last Crusade was, you know, kind of.

a bit of a love letter to Indy and also exploring the relationship with his dad. Yeah. It’s the same with us. Yeah.

I definitely agree with you on that. really focuses in on a different element and it definitely works in its favour for that. Because you get to see Doc sort of relax a little bit from his manic, mad scientist thing. gets to enjoy life a little bit, which is really, really nice to see. But he never really loses focus on his goal of like trying

of Marty’s life there’s always little things like when they discover the tombstone and how that was supposed to be his tombstone but because Marty’s interfered it now could be his tombstone. It’s always little things. I always find it amazing, it’s stupid little things that always stick in my head because at the end of the third movie is that you

Des (01:05:31.47)
see the DeLorean with parts on it from every time period that it’s been to. Because the body is obviously from 1985. The Mr. Fusion is from 2015. The components on the front to fix the time circuits were all from 1985. And then the wheels get changed over to the train track from 1885. So that DeLorean at the end has something from

Yeah.

Des (01:06:00.334)
every time period that we’ve been through in this entire trilogy. it’s those are the things, I don’t know why that always just sticks in my head.

Yeah, yeah, and it’s the stuff, and the stuff like when when Marty arrives back at the end, you see Eastwood Ravine. And that’s like another call, a call back to a joke from the first one when Twin Pinewall, and then I never noticed that for years, that when he comes back, it’s Lone Pinewall then. I never noticed that, yeah, but decades, also until I got them on TVD that I thought, oh yeah, I’ve seen that. And then when Marty…

You never noticed that?

Cal (01:06:34.318)
Marty hits the three when he arrives in 1955. Yeah.

I think the ATV version must have caught that joke of you hearing old man peep-hotting, body shouting, you son of a, you killed my pine, which sets up for that joke at the end of the movie.

Yeah, but it’s like I just at Greg’s how in all these things, just every little detail, it’s contributing and there’s just so many jokes. Probably still discovered a few of them when I go to rewatch the forms again.

Yeah, yeah, I think you definitely should. They’ve got lovely little jokes all the way throughout it. Not so much jokes as more like Easter eggs. For example, in the third one, Doc and Marty meet up and the mayor asks Doc to pick up Clara at the train station. You remember that scene? Yeah. When Doc and Marty…

come up with the idea of using the train to push the DeLorean. They go to the train station and look at the map to find the smoothest route. If you look at the background, you actually see Clara waiting for Doc. He never shows up.

Cal (01:07:47.854)
All right.

So that’s why she has to get the carriage because you actually see her in the background whilst the two of are talking, standing there waiting for Doc to appear, but he’s completely forgotten about her.

Yeah. And what’s the name of the Clare Actress again? Martyn, you.

Mary Steen, listen you can’t have a movie that’s not successful with Mary Steenburgen in it. If they’d got rid of Marty and the Doc but just kept Mary Steenburgen in, this will take a moment to take a deep breath. It would probably have still been a successful movie.

Okay, right. Hang on, hang on. You’re telling me that the first movie and the second movie sets up everything and the third movie just cuts to a primary school teacher in 1885 and you’re telling me that that still would have been a success?

Martin (01:08:42.37)
With Mary Steenberg as the teacher, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Martin (01:08:50.104)
mean, the third movie is basically a Western. There’s many a sci-fi movie you can argue are basically a Western anyway, you can say that. It’s a winning style. for Back to the Future One, Back to the Future Two to then go, where are we going to go with number three? Let’s make a Western. They know how to do a Western.

They’ve known how to do a Western for decades. Stick in Mary Steenburgen in there. As long as you get all the references to Back to the Future 1 and 2, that should have been the biggest hit. But who knows why it wasn’t.

Well, it was coming off not so much a lackluster second movie. It just didn’t reach the heights of the first movie. But you do have to finish off a trilogy with obviously part three. bringing Mary in there to play Clara Clayton is just inspired casting because she is…

phenomenally good in a very small role. There’s not a lot to that performance, but there’s enough there. And the chemistry that she has with Christopher Lloyd is chef’s kiss. The two of them work so well together. Yeah.

I say for sure but you know how some actors ask to be in something like say The Orville or Star Trek right they ask to be in it because they love it right I can’t help feeling that Mary Steenburgen might have more or less said I wouldn’t mind being in this movie because they could have got a lot of people to do it

Des (01:10:26.647)
Yeah.

Des (01:10:37.614)
They could have. But I think if I remember right from from watching some behind the scenes, a lot of people wanted to be in this particular movie, mostly because they didn’t make Westerns anymore. So you would stunt men that wanted to ride on horseback. You would stunt men that wanted to go across the top of a train. And I imagine Mary probably said, I want to be in this because whenever is she going to get the opportunity to be

a strong female character in a Western.

You know?

Yeah.

just to jump back, and this is to put Martin on the spot, because I’ve enjoyed doing the trivia of Martin tonight. Back to the future too. What’s the link to Lord of the Rings there?

Des (01:11:18.103)
Okay.

Cal (01:11:24.514)
that’s nice.

Of course I know it’s me!

Let me think. Is it one of the characters or is it something in the movie?

No, it’s one of the characters. That’s the fact. There’s a link to Lord of the Rings.

Yep.

Martin (01:11:43.414)
Let me see. Elijah Wood.

Bang on!

What about a laser wood? can’t just see a name and just expect that to be 100 % true. What about a laser wood?

I can because, you know, even if I had watched the three of those movies today, I would still forget half of it by this time of night.

I’ll give him that.

Cal (01:12:12.8)
It’s Des, our best teacher face there on to demand the answer.

Martin (01:12:20.686)
I get half a mark on that on the marking paper, definitely not the full mark. I can’t even remember what it is he plays in that.

Yep.

Cal (01:12:32.424)
It’s a very, it’s almost blinking you’ll miss it. Now does he actually say that’s a baby toy? That’s a baby, does he say that line?

He doesn’t, if he does, because it’s set off camera, you hold. wait, no, he doesn’t say that’s a baby’s toy. I think he says the line before that, which is you mean you have to use your hands. Because it’s getting a reaction shot of Marty and then it cuts to the kids. And one of them says, it looks like a baby. That’s it looks like a baby’s toy. And you see young Alasia Wood just go.

Yeah.

Des (01:13:08.43)
and then walk off camera. know that doesn’t work in an audio podcast. Essentially, he huffs, shakes his head and walks off whilst wearing a colander on his head.

yes, that set them up for Middle Earth that part.

definitely. I actually had a friend of mine who wore that kid’s costume to meet Elijah Wood at a convention. apparently he was so gobsmacked with that because she even managed to find the proper, hollander sieve thing that he wears with the little spike coming out. He was very impressed by the whole thing. So most people do still recognize him as it’s a, it looks like a baby’s toy kid from back to the future too.

Though I don’t think that’s his line, beat. Is it? I’m not too sure who says the line, because I think all the lines are off screen, so we’re not too sure who says them.

One of the kids is, if I remember right, and I like to think that I am, it’s set up so that it has young Elijah Wood and then a kid just behind him. And I swear the kid behind him said, that’s like a baby’s toy. And then Elijah reacts and then they both walk off screen. So I do believe, if Elijah Wood does say the line, I think it’s off camera. But one of them,

Des (01:14:31.896)
does say the line on screen. I can promise you that.

All right, it’s just I’m reminding that you know, I’m nostalgia critic online. Remember him trying to get Christopher Lloyd to say a certain line and it’s not from back to the future. Yeah. Yeah. Suburban Commando. That’s a maybe that’s a.

Retro.

That’s not good, not root. No, no, no, no,

yes, that’s about two currents that I’ve been hitting on some current of years.

Des (01:15:00.876)
Yeah.

seen that Suburban Commando is that another Christopher Lloyd movie?

It’s a Christmas light.

There is no one else but Christopher Lloyd in that film. There’s no problematic people in it whatsoever.

It’s just Christopher Lloyd and he’s holding a peaky meter from Ghostbusters, but it’s a completely different prop in that movie. And that’s what we’re going to say. Back to the Future 3 is really, really good. I think that the last, I think the last half hour of that movie is spot on with its jokes, its reactions.

Des (01:15:46.24)
So Doc has a falling out with Clara and then he goes to the bar and he’s been there all night. I love the idea.

Yes, yeah. You can’t rule the drake what to

We just got one drink constantly in his hand, but he has not touched it. then the second…

he’s talking you already think he’s drunk yeah because that delivery he does

Yeah, it’s just, what’s that line? It’s just that in the future we don’t have horses. We get driven around in vehicles called automobiles. It’s way he says automobile as in like four different little syllables. And then in a move that David Jason of Del Boy fame would be proud of him taking the shot of whiskey

Cal (01:16:21.346)
Please

Des (01:16:36.408)
freezing solid and then just pivoting completely off camera into it. It is physical comedy at its finest. That.

And when Marky Bush said, how many’s had anyway? Just the one.

But just the one? but yeah, completely different. Another tangent is in the script, wake up juice had an actual recipe. Are you guys aware of this? hi, I’m going to bring this.

No I’m not.

Hold on, where do I get my pen? Hold on, okay. Right, go ahead.

Des (01:17:12.142)
Trust me, you’re not going to want to drink this.

Okay.

Des (01:17:19.82)
Wake up juice recipe. Because this is apparently in the script, they actually had it written down what was in this. And God, even just looking at this now, right? If anybody wants to make this at home, here’s the official wake up juice recipe. One bottle of Tabasco sauce. That was ingredient one.

Okay, I’m out already.

Des (01:17:49.934)
A half a cup of pickled jalapeno juice, mustard seeds, onion powder, white vinegar and cayenne pepper.

Mmm.

I’m coming back into thinking it might be okay now.

Really? Did you not see Doc’s reaction as he had this thing? It was ridiculous.

Cut out the Tabasco, I think it’d be okay.

Des (01:18:17.703)
So the jalapeno and the mustard seeds, they’re all okay.

Jalapeno vinegar juice that’s okay

It’s hangover cure in Red Dwarf sounds a lot better in comparison I’d say.

It’s clear.

Des (01:18:36.012)
Chili Friday, triple fire chicken, with chili sauce and chutney. Yeah, I’ll take that.

I would actually give that a go as well.

Sam, Sam, I’d have that.

There you go, idea for a show we try all these weird recipes from sci-fi shows on the pocket.

How about you trade them and I’ll react to you trading them? How about that?

Cal (01:18:56.787)
You get to torture me for once.

But I think number three just has another solid ending with the train and trying to get the DeLorean up to 88 miles an hour. Amazing model work. Those are phenomenal models.

And some incredible stunt work on the train as well. Because I think they did a fair amount of their own stunts. I Christopher Lloyd did quite a bit of his own there.

Well, really wanted, apparently he really wanted to sell his thing. How often are you going to be able to leap over the top of a train at any point in your life? If you get the opportunity to do that, you’re going to take that opportunity to do that.

And also another thing to point out, another musician cameo in this, the legends that are ZZ Topper in it.

Des (01:19:50.046)
dooming appearance and with actually a really good song as well.

The song they play at that kind of barn dancing is actually way better than the song they came up with for the film. It’s a pretty weak song overall.

It is a pretty weak song, but the the bar and dance version of it is just so good. It’s a really good song to tap your foot to. Yeah, I don’t think there’s much else to say on that, but you probably already know of this. You know about the the kid at the end.

No, I don’t. So you’ve caught me out again.

You don’t know about this? Right, okay. Okay, right. Everybody listening, I am going to apologize in advance because I am now about to ruin the ending to Bachelor of the Future Part 3 for you. If you want me to stop, Callum, you tell me now.

Cal (01:20:49.814)
Nope, go ahead.

Just tell the listeners to cover their ears for this bit.

Good point. Yeah, listeners, I’m going to give you all about 30 seconds. I’m going to do all this in 30 seconds and then you can come back and listen to the rest of this podcast. Three, one, go. In the push scene at the end when Doc is telling Jennifer and Marty that the future is not written, if you look at the two kids in the background, one of them is doing a weird hand gesture where he’s

All right.

Des (01:21:24.056)
bringing the camera in and then points to his willy. And that is in the actual movie. And every time you see this, you will not be able to rewatch it. Three, two, one. Everybody else is there back in the room, so we can’t mention it. That is 100 % true. If you go back to any version of Back to the Future Part 3, that actually happens.

I’m not sure I’m old enough to have heard that.

It is 100 million percent true because I have seen it and again once you have seen it you cannot answer

Okay.

Yeah, yep, it is ridiculous.

Cal (01:22:12.12)
Yeah, and like we said, the perfect ending to a trilogy and it is the ending. It literally says the end and it’s just, it’s the age of legacy sequels. It’s so refreshing to see that.

But Calum, doesn’t end there, does it?

No, because I did, when I messaged you about this show, ask you, did you watch any of the animated series then?

I’ve watched a few, I didn’t watch full episodes, but I did watch a clip summit on YouTube and it instantly breaks the first card of the rulers that they went into the travel in time and space now. And I don’t like that. But apart from that, as a Saturday morning cartoon series, that’s what we’re talking about, by the way. I think it’s a brilliant idea that they get to have these adventures in time and space. You teach about history.

It is weird, kind of weird, though, where you have Christopher Lloyd introducing the episode and then he does like a bit at the end. But yet you have Dan Castellaneta doing the voice of Doc Brown in the anime. So it’s kind of weird listening to Christopher Lloyd and then having the voice of Homer Simpson doing the voice of Doc Brown. It’s very, very bizarre.

Cal (01:23:28.748)
Yeah, and also Einstein’s full-on character in this.

Einstein now has arcs and storylines. And if I remember, he doesn’t have like mechanical hands. So yeah, it’s harmless and it’s a lot of good fun.

Yes, I do.

Cal (01:23:48.75)
Yeah, just got to remind you, it was in the weekends and as a weekend, you would have lapped it up.

Yeah, mean, got my Michael G. Wilson back to to be Biff Tannen, even though he tried very hard to get away from that role for a while. But there’s a lot of good stuff in there and it introduced the world to Bill Nye, the science guy. So, you know, a lot of good stuff came out. know, yeah.

Yeah, it’s like it’s perfectly harmless. Don’t expect genius. Don’t expect it. But it’s just if probably if you call young kids and they want more back to the future, they’ll lap it up.

Yeah, you could watch the TV series and then you go off to Universal Land back in the day where you could do Back to the Future the Ride. There’s a lot of stuff out there. And one thing I will say, out of everything that that has come out from this franchise is that, like we mentioned, there’s the the video game, which I don’t know if you have either you has played any of the video game.

Alright.

Cal (01:24:55.566)
Well, here’s the thing, I did play the Back to the Future 3 video game on my Amstrad. There you go, that would just be quite a lot there.

I’m not old enough for that, Caleb. Come on.

I will not have anyone.

Thanks.

don’t want to tell you anything but don’t ever slag off the Amstrad, that will trigger me. I will defend the Amstrad.

Des (01:25:20.366)
I’ve got nothing is the abstract just the game back to the future part three on that particular system is god-awful, but If you get a chance, there’s a point-and-click adventure called funny enough back to the future of the game Which kind of continues on it’s it’s kind of a legacy sequel if you want to go down that route, but you don’t have to That’s really good. There’s a comic book season came out. There’s one that I just kind of wish is

close to hand that I read an absolute. I loved it and I hated it all at the same time. It was called Biff to the Future. And essentially it was a five part series of the story of what happened to 1955 Biff when he got the Sports Almanac, which led him into becoming 20, 1985 Richard.

link.

Cal (01:26:00.502)
Okay.

Cal (01:26:17.742)
It’s.

powerful Bif Tanan. And I’m just going to say two words. That’s it. And then you’re going to get an idea of where this story is going to go. Are you ready? Ready for this? OK. Donald Trump.

it’s.

Martin (01:26:33.602)
Yeah.

Because, yeah, there’s already been the comparisons made between the ultimate Biff Tannen very close to Trump in a lot of ways.

But if you even read the comic book, they had to put a proviso, not a proviso, like a legal warning. Thank you. That’s the word, a disclaimer at the front, saying that the events that happened in this comic book have no relation to this particular incident. Because they had to cover their arse because Biff in that comic book series, I’m not going to say too much, but he becomes a monster. if you get a chance to read it, I highly recommend you do because it is a

Fascinating read.

I can’t help thinking that in the timeline thing, the 2015 Biff wouldn’t have gone back and given it to himself because it would be a different self. He’d be more interested in himself now in 2015, know, just in the way that a genuine villain would be. He wouldn’t be interested in another version of himself. the alternate reality thing, it does demonstrate the alternate reality a little bit. And also, of course, when

Martin (01:27:48.118)
And number three, when it explores Christopher Lloyd or Doc Brown’s more sentimental side with Clara. That’s almost like when you’re watching one of these other sci-fi shows and then they do the little alternate reality, what could have happened in an alternate scene.

Yeah, that does make sense. And I can see that. They even touched on it a little bit on like Doc’s history of like his family arrived over and they were originally called the Vaughan bronze, but they had to change their names. So it’s those little things. And that obviously plays a factor into the video game as well. So there’s a lot of stuff there. If you want to continue on with these characters, there’s a lot of stuff out there. You just you don’t need another movie or a TV show.

I’m glad that the original Back to the Future in 85 didn’t go for that surprise nuclear bomb testing option because it was only 1986 when Chernobyl went ballistic and that could have been a big downer on the movie.

Yeah.

Cal (01:29:03.416)
Yeah.

It probably wouldn’t have dated as well as it should have. I mean, we even glossed over the fact that Doc got the plutonium from a group of Libyan nationalists. We came to gloss.

the

Because yeah, we don’t, we don’t need that nugget of information. He gets Petonia, he uses it as time machine. That’s it. That’s all you need to know.

Like I this is the other strength that Back to the Future has over other time travel films. It sets a date for when the present is. Because see, in Terminator, they say the battle is happening now. And so that dates the film immediately. it’s like a vague, whereas with Back to No, this is happening, 1985 is the present for this film. And so like it’s all locked in then. And everything else about the time, the times they go to makes complete sense. Like they’re going to…

Des (01:29:59.256)
Yeah.

2015 based on what the 80s thought it was going to be.

Yeah. And that’s a point because even in 1990 when the third movie came out, they still go back to 1985 because that’s their timeline. That’s what they have to make it. Yeah.

Yeah, and that’s another kind of just a good solid thing that means the movies kind of age well and they have aged really well these films. Even though they’re so 80s, they’ve just done it in such a way it’s just a little time capsule of the 80s.

And that’s what I love about it. Little time capsules of that particular time of when they were made. And Back to the Future is definitely that. mean, I’ve heard some criticism say that Marty essentially gets like a financial reward at the end by his family being rich and then he gets a truck. But I never saw it as that. I always saw it as as George getting his confidence to write his book and then become successful.

Cal (01:31:00.942)
because that’s the interesting thing that the first film it’s really George’s story. Marty’s there to help George along because Marty’s character doesn’t really change throughout the first, he doesn’t really progress as a character he’s still the same Marty at the start and the end but it’s George who undergoes a massive transformation through that film.

Definitely, definitely. I mean, you could say that Marty gets the bigger transformation in part two when he suddenly doesn’t like people calling him chicken. So that is character arc right there, apparently.

Yeah, the leopard changed its spots there, didn’t it?

Yeah.

So I don’t know if you want to do this. This is an idea I had, Des, in the lead up to this. So we’re going to do the worst thing possible. The legacy sequel’s happening. What’s the trailer going to be like? The first teaser trailer. How do you imagine it? See, for me, I imagine you get those kind of fading shots. You see, lie in estates, the little valley. And of course, it’s a legacy sequel, so you get that back to the future.

Cal (01:32:08.396)
melancholy on the piano. has to be melancholic for a man. Yeah, I think that’s where we go.

Yeah.

Des (01:32:17.462)
Right? So you me to pitch my idea of what the teaser trailer would be like.

Yeah, so we’ve got the establishing bits. So now, how do you introduce the new characters and who would they be, do you think? You’ve got to think like a Hollywood exec now for a legacy. Don’t think of it actually being good or making sense.

Okay, all right. What I would do is I would set up, you’ve already set up the lions, lions estate. You’ve set up.

Valley, see the tune? Yeah, just slow fadings and out and you’ve got the dun-dun-dun-dun just being played slow and melancholy on the piano.

I would then cut to Marty and Jennifer’s house, which is still George and Lorraine’s house from 1985. They haven’t moved, it’s the same house. I would it pan in and it would pan across to see the photo of Doc and Marty that was left. Then you see a wedding photo of Doc, sorry, Marty and Jennifer. Then you see their kids.

Des (01:33:26.7)
And then right beside that, you would see the destroyed 2015 license plate and the destroyed time service. Marty recovered from the train station. Yeah. It would then continue to pan across and we would see that Marty it’s either he’s either going to be called Marty Junior or George Junior, because I imagine Marty would keep it in the family. And I would see a photo of that. They were pan across and we would see that it’s being played by Timothy Chalamet.

That’s what I would pan across to and then I would instantly jump cut to Christopher Lloyd, Michael J Fox and Robertson Meckers all sitting staring at the camera just going what are you doing? Don’t see this film. You know don’t see this. We’ve done the best that we could. Don’t do don’t see this film and then I released it.

Yeah, I like what you’re doing.

Cal (01:34:19.896)
Yeah, right. See, would have, you would have Timothy Charlemagne and someone would come in and say, I’ve got to tell you something. Those stories your dad told are all true. think that’s good. Yeah. So like a bit of the Forge Awakens vibe.

But would, would.

And then, few quick flashes, and then they say, it’s all about 1985. We’ve got to go back there to find him. Who’s him? They’re going back to find the doctor he’s been missing all these years.

Oh, see, I like that. I like that. That also plays into a little bit in the video game where one point, Doc disappears. I know mine was a joke, but I do like that they would have to go back to 1985. My question would be, are they going to keep the DeLorean or are we going to use the time train instead?

So onward to be a new vehicle.

Des (01:35:14.158)
There can’t be.

The time train! The time train!

It has to be the time train because the DeLorean is destroyed in 1985. There’s no more DeLorean.

But your thing is it’s a legacy sequel, so they can do really stupid things to bring… Because they’ve just got the Delorean…

I think they should just CGI or AI in Michael J Fox to still play Michael J Fox just have his head on it on an actor.

Des (01:35:46.67)
Yeah

No, what I’m thinking is when they go back to 1985, they’ll have Chris Lloyd and Michael J. Fox, but de-aged digital, really terrible digital de-aging on two other actors.

They might have to do something like that because I’m not doing this to be crass or anything, but Michael J. Fox can’t act anymore, you know, just because he is a phenomenal actor. I adore him as Marty McFly. One of my favorite feel good movies is Doc Hollywood. If you’ve seen that, it’s a brilliant movie. I just see him and I just I get so heartbroken seeing how how ravaged he has been.

Good.

Cal (01:36:10.945)
I know.

Cal (01:36:30.926)
Yeah, but if you watch the documentary about it, he has incredible spirit and he takes it in such incredible humour. if that happened to me, I would want like the way he’s so self-deprecating about it. I said, that’s the way I want to be. Should anything like that happen to me.

Jack?

Des (01:36:49.142)
It is incredible. Yeah, I saw that documentary as well. Essentially, he narrates his own life as well. That’s phenomenally done. But yeah, could see where you’re both coming from with that. If they do include Doc and Marty, they would have to do a de-aged Doc and Marty at some point.

And it would be awful as well.

would be if they do it, they if they it’ll be better. That’s where I’m going with this. If they do it in the. How are Lloyd Ghostbusters afterlife way where if you keep them to a distance where you can’t hear them. Don’t make. Yeah, don’t. Yeah, don’t have any close ups on their face if you keep them because the whole premise would be like you can’t run into your past self.

Yeah.

on their face.

Cal (01:37:43.875)
Yeah.

So if you keep the McFlies away so you only see Doc and Marty in a distance, I think that would work a lot better where you don’t see them up close and you don’t need to worry about getting voice actors or sound delights or try and get, you know, 79 year old Christopher Lloyd to sound like 38 year old Christopher Lloyd because that’s not going to happen. But it’s I can see where you’re coming from with that. And I like the idea. Yeah, but just know.

But I have the final shot of the trailer. Timothy’s telling me he’s arguing with someone and he goes, probably in time, this is, this is, and then just the figure in the shadow goes, this is heavy. Boom. Then the trailer. That’s the terrible, that’s a terrible trailer now.

It is a terrible trailer, but it’s hitting all the remember berries that you need. It does still be treating.

Intriguing.

Cal (01:38:41.184)
At the same time, just no.

I don’t know. mean, I’ve got a good mind now to write to the studios and say, you know, I want a CGI, Marty and Doc. I want the train, the train arriving in 2015, battle scarred and saying, get on, we’ve got to go to the future. familiar. We’ve got to to the future. And then it shows you them arriving in Terminator.

I’m gonna bring up the whole fucking thing. I knew it!

The Terminators are driving around in DeLorean style tanks.

Come on, it’s gonna work

Cal (01:39:25.848)
Very good.

I the second you said the train was going to come with battle scars, knew you were going to say he’s going to bring the freaking terminators into this. I knew he was going to bring the terminators into this. know what? I think that would work as a fan YouTube movie. yeah. The Hollywood movie. Not a chance. There is no way in hell that you’ll get Robert Zemeckis or James Cameron to sign off on either of

I wouldn’t yet.

Cal (01:39:54.318)
Thank you.

Yeah, probably right.

I’m just saying.

Here’s a quick one for you, Martin. How can you link James Cameron to Back to the Future? It’s quite simple on this.

Mmm.

Cal (01:40:10.402)
You have to go via Titanic.

Des (01:40:18.262)
It’s Celine Dion to sing the main song.

No, no, but this is just to the films as they are. Yeah, James, Billy’s in. Billy’s in. I got you, got you. I stumped you.

Thank

Des (01:40:30.466)
Right.

I still know you can go.

Billy Zian is in Titanic as like the evil oil baron that tries to marry Kate Winslet and he’s also one of Biff’s gang members in 1955.

And if I

wouldn’t I wouldn’t I got either of those

Cal (01:40:50.718)
And seeing Back to the Future 3 when Marty returns to the present day, it’s Billy’s age that says, you chicken to him? not both. Remember, they’re in the cars next to each other. That’s where Marty’s gotten over to getting really freaked out when someone calls him chicken.

because, and that’s something that I did pick up on, there’s no musical cue at that one. Which I think is just, again, as you mentioned, just great storytelling. can see, well, basically we can hear that Marty’s no longer doing that because we don’t hear that musical sting of when somebody used to call them chicken.

Yeah.

Cal (01:41:32.084)
There you go. there we go. So yes, as your guest, final thoughts and back to the future.

Alright.

Des (01:41:40.714)
It is, in my opinion, a truly solid time travel movie. The first one is perfect. The second one is good, but it has its flaws, but they really stick the landing with the third movie.

Yeah. And Martin.

would say it would go down for me as one of, know, it’s very Hollywood, people get killed, but they don’t, know, very Hollywood ending, very light-hearted. But at the same time, you still feel the tension and the buildup of the problems of the characters. I would say, apart from being just a feel-good movie, that the fact that you don’t get lost.

trying to follow their time travels. It’s quite easy to follow and that’s a landmark I would say.

Yeah, I’ll say this like my dad absolutely can’t stand science fiction or fantasy in any way at all, which I don’t know how I got so into this that I’m organizing a bloody comic on, but he loves these films. He loves them to death and he doesn’t even see them as science fiction really. And that’s like, and that it’s very true. I think it was Empire magazine. They once wrote a quote, said,

Cal (01:42:58.926)
Put simply, if you don’t like Back to the Future, you just really don’t like movies. And that’s, I think that’s quite a true sentiment. It’s movie magic to define, yeah.

Definitely. Because if you really boil it down, if you take the DeLorean out and replace it with, you know, a wish or a tornado or whatever, the whole thing is is a character of like, what if I met my father when he was my age? That’s essentially the whole thing of the first movie. The DeLorean itself is a MacGuffin. That’s all that it is. Yeah.

Yeah, but yeah, not much I can add, but I would say that there’s the one last bit of that retro nostalgia that’s untarnished and long. May that continue. We hope that continues.

And here’s hoping with it being the 40th anniversary this year that we would get a big screen re-release. Because I’ve seen this on DVD, I’ve seen this on VHS. I have yet to see it on a gigantic, like an iMac screen. I would love to see like a 4K resolution version of that time of the clock tower scene.

in an AMAC screen. I would love to see that.

Cal (01:44:21.676)
Yeah and then probably the nice crisp 7.1 mix as well that will go with it as well will be so good.

Also Vestry score going through all those speakers.

Yeah. Yeah. So that’s, yeah, that wraps that one up. So, Martin, thanks for coming along again. And Des, as always, a pleasure. I think everyone knows where to find you. You’re becoming a picture on this podcast. As we say, you’re just a guest that keeps on giving.

I don’t know when this is going to be out, but if anybody is going to be around for the Edinburgh Fringe, my show with my good buddy Ash Price is called How to Bust Ghosts. It’s on the 18th to the 23rd of August at CC Blooms at around about 8 o’clock. So if anybody wants to come down and see that, you’re more than welcome.

Yeah, and just shout the guest that keeps giving and they’ll know where you are.

Des (01:45:18.99)
Hi, I’m the guest that keeps on giving and sorry I am married. So let’s just…

Thank you so much, Des. Always a pleasure to have you on. you. Yeah, well, you’ll probably be back on again sometime in the future, I’m guessing. I think you quite enjoy these wee things, do you?

Hey, much, Jones.

Yeah, thank you,

Des (01:45:40.798)
I mean, if we keep going, I’m sure at some point we get to talk about every major milestone franchise. mean, I think if we’re not too far away off from like the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie coming out or… Well, we’ve got some milestones coming up. So if you want to talk about anything, well, you know where to go.

One that could be fun, the 15th anniversary of Jaws this year. There’s a franchise that’s worth talking about.

the

We’re gonna need a bigger podcast.

Hey!

Cal (01:46:19.678)
sure you could write like mathematical theories showing how they just lay down so exponentially those films.

There we go.

I remember my sisters coming home from the cinema and cowering behind the chair as they told us about the horrific reality of an underwater scene where a head rolled out without a body behind it. That’s how shocking that was back then.

or how times have changed.

Step and ride, the teams have changed alright, yeah.

Des (01:46:55.09)
Yeah.

All right, everyone, thanks very much for tuning in and we’ll see you again sometime. Cheers, everyone.

money.

Bye bye.