Welcome to OH!CAST, the official podcast of OH!CON, the comic con of the Outer Hebrides! In this landmark episode, your hosts Cal and Kenny dive deep into the Terminator Double Bill and one of science fiction’s most influential sagas: the Terminator franchise. We celebrate the incredible 40th Anniversary of the original film. More importantly, we get you excited for a special event on the islands: The Lanntair showing featuring the first two masterpieces.
Setting the Stage for the Terminator Double Bill
The conversation starts by exploring the saga’s longevity. Specifically, we acknowledge that four full decades passed since Arnold Schwarzenegger first said, “I’ll be back,” changing sci-fi cinema forever. Cal and Kenny remember their first experiences with the original 1984 film, The Terminator(T1). They discuss the film’s status as a brutal, low-budget masterpiece. It was a tense, cat-and-mouse horror thriller. Therefore, it set the stage for one of Hollywood’s most successful franchises. Kenny shares memories of watching it on a late-night show called Moviedrome. He highlights the film’s visceral impact at a young age. Cal, in addition, details its cinematic influence. This discussion covers the upcoming first two Terminator movies at the Lanntair at their Terminator double bill.
Why You Can’t Miss the T1 and T2 Showing
The discussion naturally moves to the sequel, Terminator 2: Judgment Day(T2). Many cite this as one of the greatest sequels of all time. Consequently, the hosts explore how director James Cameron revolutionized the series. He flipped the script, turning the feared cyborg assassin into a protector. Furthermore, he pushed the limits of visual effects with the groundbreaking T-1000. Ultimately, they analyze the deeper themes: fate, family, and humanity versus technology. These powerful elements make T2 resonate so much. Notably, T2 is essential cinematic history. You absolutely must see theT1 and T2 showing on the big screen at the upcoming Terminator Double Bill.
Comparing the Double Bill to Later Sequels
Finally, the hosts dedicate a significant segment to the later, less-celebrated sequels. Cal and Kenny offer honest, quick-fire reviews of films like Terminator Salvation and Terminator: Dark Fate. Some entries tried to introduce fresh ideas, like Marcus in Salvation. However, the hosts agree that many films felt like unnecessary remakes of the first two. This repetition left the franchise feeling “stale.” They discuss the challenges of rebooting a perfect story. Moreover, the time-travel, long-chase format has diminished in impact over the years. This segment, therefore, highlights why the upcoming Terminator film festivals so special. It’s a chance to revisit the unparalleled genius of the first two chapters.
The episode takes an amusing, abrupt turn at the very end. They blame Skynet for taking over Kenny’s internet connection! Cal closes the show by repeating all event details and offering thanks. This episode gives listeners nostalgia, critique, and excitement. Ultimately, it’s the perfect listen for any longtime fan or anyone looking to experience the best of the Terminator Double Bill for the first time. For more behind-the-scenes insights, don’t miss another interview with a classic sci-fi film crew member from the OH!CAST archive.
Full Transcript Outline (Quick Jumps)
00:00 Celebrating 40 Years of Terminator
02:47 The Genesis of the Terminator Franchise
05:57 The Impact of Terminator’s Storytelling
09:05 Character Dynamics and Performances
12:00 The Evolution of Special Effects
14:59 Cinematic Legacy and Cultural Influence
17:57 Transitioning to Terminator 2
20:54 Character Development in T2
23:54 Innovations in Visual Effects
27:09 The T1000 and Its Significance
28:00 The Haunting Voices and Effective Scenes
29:57 Musical Scores: A Comparison of Themes
32:04 Terminator 1 vs. Terminator 2: A Battle of Preferences
33:59 The Evolution of the Terminator Franchise
35:50 Terminator 3: The Mixed Reception
40:00 Terminator Salvation: A Beige Experience
52:16 Behind the Scenes of Terminator Effects
54:05 Exploring Terminator Salvation’s Ambitions
55:57 The Downfall of Terminator Genesis
01:02:39 Revisiting Terminator Dark Fate
01:14:41 Conclusion and Future of the Franchise
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Cal MacD (00:42.83)
Hello everyone, welcome to OH!CAST the official podcast of OH!CON, the comic con of the Outer Hebrides. This one is in preparation for the Lanntair showing a special double bill of T1 and T2 and when I looked it up, yes it is, 40 years we’ve had of the Terminator franchise and we’re here to talk about it with you and get you in the mood for the screening at the Lanntair which will be introduced by our very good friend Heroward. And I will introduce my co-host, so Kenny.
After here now that it’s 40 years old, I think I’ll say where I am.
Ha ha!
I did not realize 40 years.
Cal MacD (01:27.534)
It’s quite incredible to think this is 40 years old, franchise. where it all started, all the way back in 1984. Now, needless to say, I was five years old at that time. So I did not see this in the cinema. did, however, I think I saw it when I was about 12 years old, the first one. How old were you?
First one… I would say probably…
Five or six, maybe seven.
I was six, sorry, all right, okay. Because I remembered it was BBC Two and there used to be this show called Videodrome where they would do like a half hour introduction to a classic film. And it was on really late. And I think it was my brother taped it. And then I sneakily watched the tape. And he was like, were saying this, you’re too young for this. But then I watched it and absolutely loved it. They said it was going to give me nightmares, but it was just the coolest thing ever I’ve seen at the time. I mean, and
Yeah.
Cal MacD (02:27.746)
Sorry.
You can’t disagree. But anyway, the background of it is the famous story is that James Cameron, he was making that well-known James Cameron film, which I’ve not watched yet. That was, of course, Parana to the Spawning.
Prana.
I remember flying Piranhas, I remember it. And he got fired off that film and then obviously went on to much better. But it was during that film, he was so under stress, he caught a fever. And then in a weird fever dream, he had the image of a metal skeleton coming out the, out of some flames to chase him down. And then the idea just sprung from there.
like all the things and then and as we go onto the film itself it’s like is this James Cameron’s best film Kenny?
Kenny Mac (03:28.971)
That’s a tough one, isn’t it?
Like, I would say for me,
Right.
The Titanic was… We… It had… It took a lot of liberties.
Cal MacD (03:51.032)
Yeah.
And Avatar was just so hyped up that I saw it and I was like, it looks amazing. But the story wasn’t exactly interesting to
But Terminator, the story was right there in my alley.
I think it would be fair to say this is just his tightest and most efficient film I think. Like there’s no flab in this film, there’s nothing extraneous and it’s just straight and to the point. When you first time, if you read this, it sounds like, it’s going to be like a silly B movie, the whole concept, but it’s one of those things he’s made a B movie into an A movie by just what he’s done with the subject matter in it.
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (04:45.386)
I mean you hear time travel robots and the Messiah basically
Yep.
That’s gonna be stupid.
Yep, that’s gonna, it sounds like it should have been a canon film really, doesn’t it? For those, I’m guessing the audience for this will know what canon films are. don’t need to, we might do a show on that one time, the wonders that were canon films, but we’ll stick to the films at hand. yeah, can I give a brief, but the basic outline of The Terminator is in the future, machines rise up, they kill humanity.
and then the future leader of the Resistance sends someone back into, no sorry, the Machines send one of their Machines back in time, the Terminator which is the iconic metal skeleton, live flesh over it, and then the Resistance send our lone fighter, and the goal of the Terminator is to kill the mother of the Resistance before he is born, to effectively, so that to guarantee them winning the war. And then after that it’s essentially…
Cal MacD (05:55.128)
Just one long chase film basically. And it’s so basic compared to the others. again, it’s just so effectively done. Like they don’t waste or scrimp on anything and they use every, and it’s only $6 million this film costs. Even back then, that’s not a lot. And then, and only that they put in these future war sequences, which look…
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (06:17.944)
know.
Cal MacD (06:24.315)
Incredible. They still do.
Yeah. The effects that used for the future scenes still hold up today. not only that, like the prosthetic they used, you know, for when the Terminator’s like…
taking the eye out.
still looks really good.
It’s obvious for the time that was the limitations but what they did still was incredible and that’s the late great Stan Winston who did so many amazing things in films that we’ve all probably seen at some point. And then of course with that that’s the basic story and it’s just a very lean and efficient chase film. A of drama and suspense and low frills action but it’s all but again it’s this
Cal MacD (07:20.408)
thing that the filmmakers today seem to have missed out on is you’ve got to have meaning and emotion to go with it and you’ve got to care about the characters. And with that, the characters obviously, we have, we’ve got to start with Arnie and this is the role that was made for him.
I thought Hercules in New York
You’re not going to say anything about twins or junior or any of that or even Mr. Freeze. was a standout role that.
but Hercules in New York.
Arnold Brown wasn’t it he was called in that?
Kenny Mac (08:01.263)
I think so, But he was made to play the Terminator.
Yeah, it’s like, we have to say it like, he’s an emotional monotone robot. We do love him. We’re just having fun right now. But we love Arnie. Who doesn’t love him? He’s the man who just, his lack of acting just made his films and he would not, and it’s like someone else said he would never have been a star in any other decade but the 80s.
no, the 80s gave us actors who would not have been…
Yep.
who would have been nothing if they were born in the 90s, 2000s.
Cal MacD (08:47.668)
Yeah, but there’s just, I think it’s only like six lines he has in this film or something. It’s like he’s hardly got any dialogue and it’s all, and you know, you do have to give him praise, like he does nail the physicality of it.
I think the lines were, I’ll be back. I think, are you Sarah Connor, think? Is that the line?
Yep, I know the other one, but we’re going to try and avoid swearing on this too.
And it’s when he’s in the gun shop.
Yep, that’s one of my favourite Arnie lines, Uzi nine mullamida.
Kenny Mac (09:31.818)
Also, the actor we were talking about the other day, Dick Malach. Yes. He’s in that.
Yes, yes, and…
Yeah.
And also, notable this cast is two James Cameron regulars in this one, Michael Bean and Lance Henriksen. Who was kind of follow him on to his next film, A Little Thing Called Aliens. But I don’t know if this is true or not. The background story was Lance Henriksen was originally going to be the Terminator and Arnie was going to be Kyle Reese.
I heard that.
Cal MacD (10:13.036)
Yeah, and it was like when Arnie came into the office to audition, of course James Cameron said, no way. And then just the more and more he listened to Arnie, the more he just said, this is our terminator right here. It’s like, because his original idea, I was someone who had just blended in a sleek hunter, but then he realized, no, a big hulk of an Austrian man is basically what we need.
Kenny Mac (10:39.51)
It’s hard to picture an alternate universe where Arnie plays Calrissian.
Yep. then, and writing out the main cast is of course, Linda Hamilton, who’s just iconic as Sarah Connor. Again, there’s just no one else who could play that role and she went on to play it and well, we’ll get to the next one anyway. it’s just, I don’t think there’s much we can say just about this film that’s not already been said. It’s so hard to…
Yep.
Cal MacD (11:16.408)
to find new things, such, and it’s just such an iconic film as well, this.
It’s just been talked about so much, know, it’s hard to say. You know, I can think with this we’re just…
gushing over it really. But I suppose and the other thing to mention is the score as well absolutely and I prefer this score to the T1 to the T2 score sorry. I prefer this more electronic sound I think it just goes better with it.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (11:49.966)
I prefer T2.
Because when we get to T2, then the real debate starts. Because it’s always a big debate with T2. But like the story is really tight. Because you do run into this problem, time travel stories, there’s loopholes and there’s plot holes, but there’s not many I can think of in this.
Yeah.
Cal MacD (12:16.911)
This becomes a problem later on.
Yeah, I think once T2 is done, that’s when things start to get really, really complicated.
there he will get to that eventually.
I don’t know, like I said, so little, so we’ll just go. If you are going to the launder, yep, definitely go and see T1 and T2. Go for the double bill.
Yeah
Cal MacD (12:57.112)
Hello? I would say.
you cut out there for a second.
Did I? Alright, sorry. But I would say like, if you’re going to the launter to see this double bill and you have to pick one and you haven’t seen either of them, I would recommend T1.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Just, it’s so influential, and you will see the fingerprints of this film just go on and on through film history.
Kenny Mac (13:27.262)
To be honest, would say read the short story. It’s based on… Yeah, I have to…
Yeah, you have, have you?
Though I remember, I haven’t read in years, I think was Harlan Ellison who wrote it. I’m probably completely wrong. Yeah, that one, I think it’s called like the Soldier from the Future?
Yeah, because I remember part of the settlement for that was that they have to put up a thank you to Harland Ellison at the start of the film now, don’t they? Or it’s inspired by Harland Ellison or something.
Cal MacD (14:17.838)
There’s definitely some kind of settlement they reached with that.
No, it was called, it was based on, I think, basically based on two stories. The soldier and demon with a glass hand.
Okay. So, like I say, there’s not much we can explain because the plot is that simple. And it’s like kind of the Mad Max kind of thing, just a simple plot executed well over. And this is the shortest film as well. I noticed that. This is just like an hour and 20 minutes and it just packs everything in so nicely.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (14:59.502)
Mm-hmm.
And then course, like the scene I always remember as a kid and the one I think this just shows you just things you can’t do with CG is, you know, when they’re running down the corridor in the factory at the end and the end of skeletons chasing them and you’ve got that stop motion kind of jumpiness to it, it just makes it that bit more creepy, the movement.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (15:24.214)
Yeah. Stop motion, anything stop motion, always creeping out.
Yeah, it’s especially and it’s just so perfect for something. And there was someone, they showed a video online you can see, and someone used what’s it called, Blender, that 3D animation software. And they put in a CG terminator, like very smooth and fluid movement. And it just lost that kind of creepy unnaturalness for me.
Yeah. When you use CD everything looks a lot smoother. like with, like I said, the stop motion you get, you can see all like the corners of the model, all the rough patches. And I’m like Blender. looks like, models on Blender look amazing. But you want the real thing. You know, if you want to show
a murder robot coming after your characters you wanted to be a model, know, a physical model and them doing that was the right choice. It wouldn’t have come over as, you know, as threatening if it was CG.
You
Cal MacD (16:41.07)
Oops, sorry, I know you’re repeating that. Edit that a little bit out, don’t worry. Okay, so how should we rate these films? What rating system do we want to use?
Kenny Mac (17:01.006)
I don’t know.
I’m trying to think of a nice Terminator related system for this.
I hope if it’s good I’ll be back. If not, I’ll still be a sub-baby.
Okay, yeah, this one, yeah, will definitely be back. And that is through the rewatch value of this film is insane. Like you can rewatch this. it’s like it’s in there with jaws for me as in films I will happily put on any day, any time, anywhere. I would just happily watch over and over again.
For me, first blood.
Cal MacD (17:42.644)
right, a Rambo retrospective might be in order.
Yeah.
But.
Cal MacD (17:57.553)
Before we get off on to different films, we’re trying to keep it all a terminator here. It’s hard not to go for that. So with that, we jump forward to 1991. T2 comes along, Terminator 2.
Cal MacD (18:14.902)
Right, it’s really hard to describe the plot because it sounds like it is identical to the first one.
except we got a new character out of it.
Yeah, so plot to this one is it’s seven years later in the film timeline as well. And of course Terminator sent back their warrior and the Resistance sends back the warrior. they do the clever thing is Arnie this time is the protector and we get a brand new Terminator and what is it Robert Patrick the guy’s name is? That’s it. I was I get a mix up with his brother who sings who was with Nine Inch Nails.
And he’s a liquid terminator, basically a shape-shifter terminator. And we also get John Connor as a boy, as a wee boy, which I remember hearing about Terminator 2 and they say, oh, John Connor’s a wee boy in this. And even then, I think I was 12 or 13 at the time, I was just, they’ve put a kid in it. Oh no, oh no. I was just like, cause it was years before I saw it. Like it was years before I remember Video Network.
That’s memories for you.
Cal MacD (19:28.942)
Yeah, that’s when I finally got to see this, when it came into video network and we had to keep going back and say, no, it’s rented out, it’s rented out, it’s rented out. We eventually managed to get a copy of it video network. And then I was happily blown away by it when I saw it. I’ve never got to see this in the cinema yet, either of them. So that’s why I’m looking forward to the screening.
Cal MacD (19:51.672)
but it just, it took everything good in T1 and just amped it, amped it all the way up. Bigger, better, louder, faster. And it was like the most expensive film ever made at the time. It’s like, it was like a hundred million dollars, which was like mind blowing. I remember that.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (20:11.406)
Now you look at a film and it’s a hundred million dollars you’re like, nothing. Big budget.
Yep. So even the advertising budget for Marvel, of for one Marvel TV show probably.
Kenny Mac (20:30.302)
I remember when I saw the trailers I was like I really want to see this. But I think up here the only cinema we had was in the old C4.
Yep.
Cal MacD (20:44.584)
Yep that was the galaxy. Yep I remember that. That was before they shut it down in mid-twilight.
Which this is like local stuff if you’re outside the store where you won’t understand any of this. But we used to have a really good cinema called the Galaxy, which was, I remember that place being massive, but then they shut it down and then they decided to make it an all in one kind of nightclub and cinema. And you’ll remember this, the cinema seats, the pit for the dance floor. There was this big barrier which blocked your view of the cinema screen when you went to watch your film.
Mm.
Cal MacD (21:25.944)
Quite infamous when they did that.
I think I saw… again we’re just gonna… I saw the mask.
Yeah. It was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I saw on there.
Cal MacD (21:42.402)
But anyway, back to… So Arnie’s back and he’s as Arnie as ever. He’s again, this is the role he was made to play. Get him to act a little bit more in this, I think.
Yeah, there’s a lot more emotion.
Yep, just enough for Arnie, just not pushing it to, not asking to do too much emotion out of him or else you know where you get with that. And I think the big revelation in this film when we talked about the kid and how we were dreading it is Edward Furlong, who was incredible and I couldn’t believe he’d never acted before in his life before this one.
Yeah, I was saying, it’s one of those things, anytime they put kids in like big budget acting movies as a main character, you’re always like, oh, this is going to be cringy. You know.
Or they’re just going to be so annoying you’re just going to want the Terminator to get them in the end.
Kenny Mac (22:45.026)
Yeah, but yeah, three, two, one.
Yeah, you understood him. know. Yep. And then by the end, you just felt so bad. You know.
Yeah, this is the amazing thing with this film. You actually got to feel emotional at the death of a termite. You’re like really heartbroken.
Yeah, especially like the relationship that was being formed, you know.
Needless to say, the other bits and pieces of the story is they find out how Skynet gets started and it’s basically the wreckage left from the first Terminator film and they kind of start building an AI out of that.
Cal MacD (23:38.158)
Which like again, oh, that’s it. It almost felt like they’d planned for this film, but I don’t think he did. it was just like, oh, that seemed to fit so perfectly. And it’s more just a case as the writers, they saw what they had and they kind of organically put it into the story in a really clever way.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don’t… to be honest, I don’t think they planned for a sequel. I think it was just gonna be… Oh, I’ve written it for them. You know, they gave me the money, so I made it. And then they saw how well it done, and they like, we want another one.
Yep. And boy, did we get another one. could say, standout moments, the truck chase through the LA sewers. yeah. It’s just when that truck comes over the bridge and crashes down and it’s just like, you can only do that practically. It’s so such a simple thing, but it’s so. It’s just so visceral when it happens, it just like blew you away. Even watching on the TV, it was just like stunning, kind of. And then like.
the battle at the office. When he brings out the minigun.
yeah, yeah, the Cyberdyne building.
Kenny Mac (24:56.354)
Yeah. And he’s just mowing down cops left and right.
But it’s not actually because he’s letting a lesson about not killing people.
We can’t hurt humans. But we can shoot a minigun at them.
Yes.
Cal MacD (25:13.452)
Yep, very true, very true.
Yeah, it’s just.
Kenny Mac (25:23.778)
Like, and like when we’re at Dyson’s house and he pulls out the knife.
Yeah.
Cal MacD (25:32.749)
Yep.
Oh, I’ve… Like my stomach, you know, is just doing… doing tumbles. You know, it’s like… Just thinking…
That’s practically done. But it’s so effective. It’s just like really quick edits. Obviously, Arnie’s putting a knife to a fake arm probably. And then it’s just like an attachment of his own arm. And it’s even just when it’s moving, the mechanical arm is like so just effective that. And of course, now they would just put a green cloth all over his hand. And I’m not against CGI because bizarrely, this film was the dawn of CGI really.
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (26:07.521)
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (26:14.883)
Yes.
with the T1000FX which still look phenomenal.
yeah. When he-
Especially like
When he’s in the hospital, he turns into the porter.
Cal MacD (26:30.936)
Yeah. Well, for me, it’s like all the effects of the end fight. There’s just so many. The one I always remembered was when I think Arnie throws him right against a wall and then he just kind of reverses himself instantly. And it’s so smooth.
And then there’s other things like when he walks through the bars, the hospital just leaving the gut and it’s just like so and it’s just done just enough, just not over the top. And it just, it still looks good. And of course the, the one you probably saw on TV when they were talking about the film is when the T 1000 walks out of the wreckage of the truck with the flames. Because
yeah.
just a walking puddle of metal.
Yep, and it’s not only that but you pay attention they’ve got the reflections of the flames on the metal which when you think for the time that must have been a hell of a lot of work to pull that off.
Cal MacD (27:29.048)
But yeah, we’ll go on and the new Terminator, Patrick Harris, is so good. He’s just, he’s different, you know, from Arnie and he just pulls it off so well. He’s more…
there’s no religion.
Yeah, but he’s able to interact with humans, which makes him a bit creepier in a way. As the cop, he’s able to talk to people and talk to children and that one little bit when he’s talking to those girls in the mall, it’s quite unnerving that he’s able to pull it off so convincing.
Yeah, and when he mimics the foster parents’ voices.
Yep, which was a skill Arnie had as well. All the Tiberators have that skill. But it’s just again another effective scene of the blade going through the foster dad’s head, by drinking the milk.
Kenny Mac (28:17.87)
That’s what makes it so creepy because he’s basically talking in the mother’s voice and he’s got the sword going through the dad. And he’s just talking just like normal. It’s like, oh when you gonna be home?
Cal MacD (28:41.07)
So, also move on to something here, which we briefly discussed, and that’s the score. And you’re more of a fan of this one, aren’t you? It’s kind of more orchestral, one, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Cal MacD (28:58.126)
I just prefer the kind of simple kind of synthy vibes of the first one.
Again, I’m bringing up another film about this and Robocop.
Alright, yeah.
The themes are two of my all-time favorites.
Okay, yep. can certainly see. I wouldn’t know my other… I’m going to go really obscure. My other favorite theme would be from Moon.
Kenny Mac (29:25.166)
Mm.
If you haven’t seen Moon, the score to that is just hauntingly amazing. I love it. But anyway, we’re going off track a little bit. And we’re going to get to the big one here. T1 V T2. Where do you stand?
Kenny Mac (29:43.157)
T2.
I would go T2 but there’s just one part of it that just lets it down. It’s when they go to the guy at the Mexican border. It’s just a little sag in the full and it just drags ever so slightly. It’s not enough. Don’t worry. I’m not saying it’s awful, but it’s just, it doesn’t have that rock solid pacing of the first one for me. And that’s just that tiny little bit that puts
Mm.
Cal MacD (30:14.456)
Just a tiny little nudge to put T1 over the edge for me.
Yeah, I can… I see that. But I don’t know, for me I think it’s more of the overall story. Like, one is literally a chase movie, slash art.
Right.
Cal MacD (30:41.229)
Yeah.
And T2 is more Slasher Action Chase. I think like I said, it’s the bond that forms between the Terminator and John. It’s Sarah seeing this and learning that not all, especially this one, things can be…
Yep.
Kenny Mac (31:11.946)
Even though it’s a murder robot, know, something good can come out of it.
Yep, I can.
you and for me it’s that in in p1
Kenny Mac (31:27.854)
The relationship between Kyle and Sarah, it was… I don’t know, it didn’t really have much… It had less time to develop than…
Yeah, that’s kind of like, yeah, it’s a trick because at the same time it was to make it more tragic, but then it also made it a bit…
Yeah, there’s also like this guy with severe PTSD kind of woulds. Yeah, I like she’s in a state of panic as well.
out.
Kenny Mac (32:04.526)
And then you have the opposite with T2 where it does go on a wee bit longer. So it’s like ups and downs but like I said for me T2, for you T1.
But we can both do it. yeah, we do do it. And also I like just T1’s kind of grungier feel. It’s a bit grungier, whereas T2’s just like more kind clean film. You know, the whole presentation, whereas T2’s just this grungy, grimy kind of feel to it. It’s like, know, with Kyle Reese, like he’s getting battered and bruised and…
These are great films.
Kenny Mac (32:32.919)
yeah.
Kenny Mac (32:38.296)
Yeah.
Cal MacD (32:51.288)
Whereas it’s not so much Arnie, kind of, you know, you know, he’s a terminator, so there’s not so much threat to him. That’s another wee thing that will put T1 over. Again, I’m not slating T2 in the slightest here. This is…
I know.
So carry on, Kerry.
Yeah, with Kyle being human, there’s way more risk of him.
risk and is a genuine threat here.
Kenny Mac (33:20.64)
Yeah, and it’s like if Kyle dies, know, obviously Sarah’s gonna die. But with the T-800, you know, there’s a good chance it’s…
Yeah, he’s going to be able to stand up to a lot more. But, but in saying that, here’s the fun fact for this one. The factory chase at the end, that factory was actually ice cold. You probably know this and they had to keep spraying all the actors down to make them look like they were sweating.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (33:44.94)
Mm.
Cal MacD (33:55.394)
So, all in all, T2 is definitely I’ll be back.
Mm-hmm. And I will say the one thing that for me puts it way over the top is when Arnie picks up the baby and smiles at him.
Yo,
Cal MacD (34:13.646)
that’s the extended cutters in it.
I think we uh… I don’t know why it just makes me laugh all the time.
I don’t really watch the extended version all that often. Usually I always go with extended versions of films, but not T2 for some reason. just, not a huge fan of, there’s just bits in it that feel like, I understand why they got rid of some of these scenes. Like the Ari trying to smile, but it just kind of, yeah, we’re getting a bit too goofy now, I think, with that.
I think.
Kenny Mac (34:37.87)
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (34:46.062)
I don’t know, it just makes me laugh every time I it.
But all in all, definitely I’ll be back here as the rating, isn’t it?
Definitely.
And so with that we can wrap up because the franchise didn’t continue after that. No, no, I’m kidding. Of course They could never ever let a good thing lie. Even though the ending of t2 was pretty Goddamn conclusive. They just could not let it go and so the the series went into limbo until that magical year of 2003 And I remember going to the cinema and I saw the trailers and I was
around.
Cal MacD (35:27.266)
I was like from the start, no they can’t do a T3. And I went to see the trailers and I was like okay, this could work.
than you thought.
those initial trailers, like I said, the TX looks interested and there’s that spectacular thing with the crane.
All of that was actually pretty cool.
Yeah, and so I went to the cinema thinking, okay, right. I’m ready to give this a go. I went and it was Phantom Menace feeling where I was like excited and then I went in and I came out. I liked that, I? Or did I? I don’t know. I must have liked it. I think I liked it. You know, the first time we saw Phantom Menace after the hype, were kind of, no, it can’t have been bad. It really was good. North handed.
Cal MacD (36:19.054)
hit ourselves on for a while and then it dawned on me and then I went back watched it the other weekend and I’ve said right there’s problems here it could be improved a lot this film just a few tweaks and it could have been a much better film than it was but quick plot is again in the future John Connor machine comes back to kill him and the future
Mm-hmm.
Cal MacD (36:49.26)
resistant leader, the TX, which her powers are. She’s a shapeshifter as well and she can control other organisms. Again, it’s like they were really couldn’t think of very much powers to give her on top of that and Arnie’s back as a protector. So it’s like they were really struggling for ideas here.
It’s… It’s… It’s hard to find.
Kenny Mac (37:20.866)
very many good things to say about the film.
What really let this film down was the humour. The jokes were so bad and so out of place.
Yeah.
And it’s like I said, when I first watched it and I was, I was okay till the arrival of the TX and that scene where she’s sitting in the car and the cop comes up and I was like, what, why? And it’s basically, she sees a sign for Wonderbras and so she adjusts the size of her boobs.
Mm.
Cal MacD (38:05.25)
For some reason, I don’t know why, because she just kills the cop anyway, so was like, why did she do that just now? It was just like…
I never unstated myself.
Yeah, and it’s just like that’s just in there for a joke and no other reason. And then Arnie arrives and
I literally just remembered the bar.
Yep. He goes into a bar like he did in the second one. Yeah. Okay, that was fine. And it’s a hen night with a stripper. And it’s just like, okay. It’s like. Yeah. And then the talk to the hand, which comes back later in a really awkward way. And then he walks out. Yes, you know where I’m going.
Kenny Mac (38:50.51)
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (38:55.086)
the first
This is where a lot of people were lost. It’s the him putting the shades on scene but it’s like big Elton John-esque style glasses and everyone was just, no, come on.
I don’t know what they… It was literally why… I mean the whole bar scene itself was bad enough.
But then after that, the story and like what they do towards the end is actually okay. There’s like good ideas going on. Like we see Judgment Day kicking off and like the chaos and we see the machines start to take on. That being kind of the whole film, that would have been quite interesting to watch.
Yeah, like
Kenny Mac (39:41.454)
like
Kenny Mac (39:50.062)
I liked that the TX was going around killing off his lieutenants as well. That I liked.
And I’ll give fair props to the actress who played the TX. She did a great job of it. But it’s, this is a film, definitely I feel like the parts are kind of a bit more interesting. There’s just parts, it’s like a mishmash and they just couldn’t get it quite right. And I would love to see if someone’s done one of those fan edits where they take out all the weird jokes. Which like, which like,
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (40:18.446)
Yeah.
Cal MacD (40:28.236)
In T2 there’s humour, but it kind of grows organically from the way young John Connor and the T800 interact. And like the T800’s trying to learn from John Connor how to be… Whereas this is just like the terminator’s just randomly doing goofy things for no reason.
Cal MacD (40:48.628)
And I will say like, who’s the actor? Nick Stahl is John Connor in this one. I will give him, he did a good job with it. He gave it his best stab.
They had originally signed Edward Furloughn to be back.
But Edward Farlong was, being Edward Farlong, I don’t think we need to go into depth with what Edward Farlong’s personal life has been like.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (41:13.294)
It’s well… It’s the contract you in Betta said… Don’t do anything stupid.
Yep, and then he
That night he went out, done something stupid and it was photographed, videoed and the next morning he got a phone call saying, you’re out. And he said in an interview that that was going to be his basically second chance really.
So Edward Furlong being Edward Furlong. And it’s a shame.
He is a good actor.
Kenny Mac (41:58.382)
and I’d love to see what it would have been like if it was him.
Yeah.
I Nick Stahl done a good job but if it was Edward Furlong the weight of seeing this different T-800 that has the irony skin and yeah I would have loved to have seen that.
but doesn’t recognise them.
Cal MacD (42:31.074)
Yeah. But yeah, like I say, this for when I rewatch it, it’s better than I remember, but it’s still not good. It’s the same as when I watched The Phantom Menace back in May in the cinema. I said, this is a lot better than what we gave it credit for, but it’s still not close to being good. yeah, you can see there was, whereas with this one, just.
I would have been
Kenny Mac (42:51.715)
Yeah.
Cal MacD (42:58.778)
The second half of the film is interesting and the first half is just all the rerunning the same film again.
And I think it’s again, it’s probably another, I think it’s an extended or it’s a decent, but you see where they got the model for the T800.
Yeah, that’s a deleted scene.
Yeah, again, it’s already just been funny.
Yeah, and again, it’s just weird humor that wouldn’t have worked. So definitely, I still have Easter to this one, think. We’re in complete agreement.
Cal MacD (43:49.416)
And with that, I don’t think it was that long till we got to the next one, which was again, this is the opposite. When I heard about this film, I heard the cast, thought, that’s strong cast. Then I heard who the director was and I was worried. Really worried. The director of Charlie’s Angels 1 and 2 was going to do a Terminator film.
Mm.
Kenny Mac (44:16.514)
Yeah.
Basically, I who made two films of zooming in on Lucy Liu and Drew Barrymore and who was the other one? Cameron Diaz. Basically two movies of him having a camera just focused on their bums was the passion to make the next entry in the Terminator franchise somehow. I was and I was really
I didn’t like that.
Cal MacD (44:48.108)
really worried when I heard all that and then the trailer came out and I said this looks kind of okayish
Yeah.
Are they the Porsche?
It didn’t look terrible, that’s the thing.
But the problem I had was it’s in the future war, but that’s not what the future wars meant to look like.
Kenny Mac (45:07.026)
no, everything we’ve seen is just, you know, fields of skulls, you know, robot tanks, lasers.
lasers and it’s all done in this like nice kind of new and blue color that James Cameron loves to use in this book and then it looks just brown and ugly all this it’s not like visually very interesting but then I was seeing things that they there’s some new terminators all right that’s pretty cool and then of course there was also in the build-up do you remember? What’s the name of the character? Christian?
Christian Bale. yeah, the…
This should be the infamous outtake.
Yeah.
Cal MacD (45:50.168)
Then yeah, I went and then there was rumors, this is going to, Arnie’s not going to be in it. And I was like, okay, interesting. They’re trying to get away from all of that. And then when I watched it and again, it was just, yeah, I didn’t know what to make of it first. And then I watched a few more times. Yeah, this just isn’t, this isn’t the future worst stuff I wanted to see.
No, and it’s not the Arnie you wanted to see.
Yep, the irony only lasts for a few seconds I think.
Cal MacD (46:26.164)
CGI and then he loses his skin. But the rough plot of this is it’s the future war. John Connor has not yet met Kyle Reese and then there’s Marcus, this kind of hybrid robot human who wakes up in the future with no memory and he’s an infiltration unit and he’s meant to take John Connor into Skynet so he can be killed, I think. I don’t know, it’s like
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (46:54.199)
Yeah,
I’ve only watched this a few days ago and I’ve forgotten most of it already.
Yeah, that’s the plot. I think it starts off with Marcus at the beginning. He’s on death row. And then Helena Bond and Carter comes in.
when
Cal MacD (47:11.734)
Yep, to sign him to give away his body after death or something.
and then he wakes up and yeah the whole his mission that he doesn’t know about is to bring John to to Skynet but of course along the way he he thinks he’s human so he’s acting human
Yep.
Cal MacD (47:35.028)
Yep, and so there’s the conflict there and then what I did like there’s like again there’s always like nice little bits there they bring in but they don’t do much with us the idea that a lot of the resistance don’t like John Connor because everyone believes him as the Messiah and like they do think there’s no he’s not the Messiah he’s not the Messiah he’s a naughty boy. He what?
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (48:00.814)
Nanny Groot
They just like they think he’s like not aired his kind of the reverence that he has with some of the soldiers. I that was a cool idea and also the late Anton Yelchin was so good as a young Kyle Reese in this and I just when I walked away I thought they should have made the film about Kyle Reese living in the rubble and then meeting up with John Connor that on its own would have been like him evading Terminators kind of
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (48:29.614)
that would have been good.
And like the rumor was that that was kind of going to be the rough plot of it. But when Christian Bale came in, they rewrote the whole film to make Christian Bale the star because he was a mega star at the time of Batman.
Cal MacD (48:50.366)
And the other plus point this film has Michael Ayer inside, which always gets a plus point for me.
You can’t beat Megal iron side
The toughest, bootstrap sound you name and the most gravelly voice to go with it is just… You can’t beat a bit of Michael Ireland side in your film.
Everything you think.
Yo, it’s just… so good.
Cal MacD (49:15.265)
It’s just like, yeah, oh, Michael Ades, I like this already.
Is one of those actors, you see the name and you’re like, okay, I’m watching that. I don’t care what role he’s playing, I’m watching that.
Yeah, so yeah, that’s the rough outline of the film. And like I said, I watched it just a few days ago and I’d pretty much forgotten the whole thing. It was. It’s weird, like T3 is bad, but there’s memorable bad things about it, but this is just. It’s like I say, it’s like that that brown, beige and that’s what it is. A very beige film will just pass you by.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (49:53.454)
I’ll be honest, the things I remember from Salvation are the scene where that giant airship, that Terminator airship thing captures Kyle Reese and the wee girl and those little fish robots. And there’s a really good callback to T2 when John
basically reprograms and he’s got the device that he had in T2 and he’s playing Gunterosus I think.
That was a scene I had a problem with, like the water bike terminators.
yeah.
Why would a human be able to ride and control them in any way? Like the concept that they would make terminators like that, why would they have a saddle and steering for a human to use?
Kenny Mac (50:52.878)
Exactly.
And then was just when they got into Skynet, it was like, this seems very human accessible, everything like they wouldn’t need a lot of this stuff. then. And again. There’s this and it’s like comparing like T1, I think it’s like when when John fights the T800. He gets into a kind of fist fight and the T800 is punching him back. But yeah, as I remember in T1.
Me. Me.
Cal MacD (51:24.808)
Basically the T800 just gives Kyle just one backhand and he’s dead instantly.
It’s-
Kenny Mac (51:37.646)
It’s something movies and TV shows do when they have aliens, demons, robots, all that. You have to give your human characters a fighting chance. So you have to make it seem like they can go one on one with them.
Yeah.
But in reality we know that you can’t. And it’s a bit annoying, but it happens.
Because it worked the end of T1 because that was then Sarah took control of her destiny and she managed to kill the Terminator just with her wits.
Yeah, but with that you used a machine to kill it. You know, used the compactor.
Cal MacD (52:23.458)
Yeah. Which jumping back to that, have you ever heard about that compactor seeing how they did it?
Kenny Mac (52:32.994)
Think so.
They ran out money. So the compactor was they had two polystyrene blocks that they spray painted metal. They then made a very rough T800 skull out of aluminium foil, put just two red LEDs in it, and then they just pushed it down to crush the aluminium foil. And they had someone behind it smoking a cigarette, just blowing smoke all the time. Just done for a few dollars.
and it’s like you would not know looking at it.
I knew this skull was made from aluminium but I didn’t know about the polystyrene compactor.
Yep, it was just basically two big, they just prepainted two like kind of poly boxes and they just like made a rough outline of the skull and just filled it, squishing like that and just some guy with a flag just blowing the smoke out while they had the red eyes kind of just feeding it and that was it. And they said it cost them like $50 to do that or something.
Kenny Mac (53:37.172)
I mean at work, work at…
Yeah, it works. But anyway, back to salvation. Like I said, it’s just… This was meant to kick off a trilogy, wasn’t it?
Yeah, and I think the ending, I think the original ending was they put John’s skin over Marcus’s.
Yeah, he becomes… but I think Christian Bale objected to that or something.
they went with the transplant instead. Which makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Cal MacD (54:19.348)
Yep. Well was also that that ending was leaked and people really reacted badly to it. But I will say it was better than what I feared when I Bic G was directing.
Yeah, and I’ll say this, Sam Weatherton was good. You know, I actually liked him in this.
Yep.
Cal MacD (54:43.598)
Yeah and it’s a it’s the one I’ll give this film credit they tried to do something different apart from the time travel protector and terminator they just they tried to do something but like I said and we’d all been wanting to see more Future War but they just how you should have known you should have just gone back to that’s the Future War people want to see
Mm-hmm.
Kenny Mac (54:54.669)
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (55:07.884)
Yeah.
So this is definitely, this is Astelavista baby this.
I… I’ll be back.
Really?
I like it. It’s one of those films I’ll go back to every few years. But I will quite happily sit down and watch it later on.
Cal MacD (55:33.268)
Right. So that brings us forward another few years. can’t remember the years of these films, but this, I think, is the low of the low. I watched this and I actually hate this one so much. Terminator Genesis. This is the pits really.
It is.
I could try and explain the plot but I gave up.
The plot’s stupid. The whole film’s
Well, it’s It’s convoluted. The timeline just gets screwed beyond all recognition here.
Kenny Mac (56:12.419)
Yeah.
Bye.
They literally said, right, we bring Arnie back, because there was obviously no Arnie the class one to fail. And we’ll bring back the T1000, we’ll bring back everything somehow and this kind of new Terminator, which I don’t really know what the John Connor Terminator, what’s so special about it.
I it can.
extend itself so it can be like two places at once or something? I don’t know.
Kenny Mac (56:50.493)
it’s just so stupid. The fact that they weren’t-
Bye bye.
Yeah, and also what they did was they revealed that John Connor was a Terminator.
Okay.
Kenny Mac (57:04.44)
Yeah, I don’t get why…
Yep, I have no idea what that was about.
Is it just? No, that’s the thing. Is it just?
Yeah, and I can’t even really praise any of the actors but I don’t blame them because what they were… She’s a great actress but she is so bland in this as Sarah Connor.
what’s his name? Dye Courtney isn’t it?
Kenny Mac (57:39.754)
own. Yeah, he wasn’t.
Kyle Reese is just like…
and the John Connor guy said that’s really a weird way you’re playing John Connor and then just suddenly the the embodiment of Skynet is Matt Smith it was just the weirdest thing ever
I was like, Matt Smith’s convenient. Okay. And then I saw him and he was in for like 10 seconds. then I see the end and he’s in for what? A couple of minutes?
Kenny Mac (58:23.384)
Why even-
Hologram type thing?
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (58:32.781)
I don’t know.
It was like all the other terminators, indestructible and you had to be really use your wits and your skills to beat them. Whereas with this one, it seemed like
Cal MacD (58:50.04)
What’s that? Yep.
Kenny Mac (58:55.502)
and I do
You’re compacted, you’re-
Yeah. I will say, I did like that they went with the T-800 gets sent back to kill Sarah Connor when she was a child. But then, Groose, well this part was stupid, but Groose’s a content?
some reason that didn’t really explain too well. It’s like, he killed her parent and then she’s hiding. He finds her, he’s looking at her like, I don’t want to kill you anymore.
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (59:40.0)
and then he raises her and he’s starting to basically fall apart.
The following part is pretty much the only good bit of the film because it actually shows that there’s another threat of the T-800 being killed.
Yeah. And also, somehow he’s able to build a time machine.
Mm-hmm.
Hey!
Cal MacD (01:00:15.522)
And then.
Miles Dyson’s kid. This is genius night.
Cal MacD (01:00:27.01)
even though they destroyed all the…
all of the work from T2, yet he is a genius.
Then.
Cal MacD (01:00:37.972)
the scene where you get caught by the police and then the bad boys theme starts playing.
Yeah.
And that was just, what, what it is. And then the ending is, Kyle Reese gets to meet himself and his parents and his mum’s Irish for some reason. They just decided that. don’t know. That was a bit.
And they, for some reason, they can leave mental images with them. Basically, because of the whole timeline thing, still trying to sort itself out, they can be like, hey, remember me, I’m going to be important, protect me, or something like that. And somehow…
He’ll remember it?
Cal MacD (01:01:37.626)
Yep, it’s… this film is just a complete utter mess. It’s just… I just don’t get what they were trying to do. And like Salvation, it ends with the war is just beginning. Because this was going to kick off a trilogy as well.
Yeah.
Cal MacD (01:01:56.526)
So this one is 100 % Hasta la vista.
This part is, put it in a vat of molten metal and just let it. Just let it.
Put it the compactor, then put it in the molten metal.
And…
Throw some acid, magnets, everything at it. If you own the DVD, this is what we recommend you, or the play rate. This is our actual recommendations.
Kenny Mac (01:02:22.996)
It’s… I hate… There’s not many phones that need, but this one…
I guess it’s not even so bad that I could laugh at it, it’s just the pits really.
Yeah.
So with that, we take a break.
to do.
Cal MacD (01:02:40.844)
And then they come back Terminator Dark Fate is the next one. Endorsed by James Cameron himself this one think. And so they’ve decided, right, why don’t we bring back Sarah Connor at long last? Actually bring back Linda Hamilton. And this one is just another Terminator film basically. They just decided to go back to the formula of
Yeah.
Kenny Mac (01:02:59.648)
Yeah.
Cal MacD (01:03:09.164)
Protector comes back, Terminator comes back. And the special power is it can split in two. And it shapeshifts, and I’m just like saying, they’ve really not come up with anything more threatening since T2.
This is basically, this is T2 except John Connor is now female.
Yeah. And it’s in Mexico to start as well.
which
Kenny Mac (01:03:38.742)
if they hadn’t just recycled T2.
It would have been fine.
Well, and the other problem is if you’re a fan of T2, the first five minutes is almost them sticking the middle finger up to you as a T2 fan. Because basically everything you went through in T2, yeah, just got, John Connor just got killed anyway.
Yeah.
because apparently they can just keep sending Terminators back all the time, non-stop.
Kenny Mac (01:04:11.886)
think if they had…
I said this before but if they had somehow made it that John survived it and it was him instead of Sarah that finds the girl.
Kenny Mac (01:04:34.104)
Yo, I would… I think that would probably have been better. You know…
Yeah.
I say you would have been able to relate to the girl about the burden of knowing all of this.
Yeah, because you had the original savior of mankind training the new savior of mankind. And you can even use Sera being dead from T3. You can work that into it.
Cal MacD (01:05:12.728)
Yeah.
I know. Like I went, I saw this, I saw this when I came out in the cinema and I was just watching, I was like, okay, that’s pretty cool. I was like, You know what, there were some good bits.
There was like a one idea they had which they didn’t really do much with was when a Terminator completes his mission what the heck does it do next?
Yeah, because that’s what happened. You know, that’s what happened with with the T-800. He killed John and then because the timeline was in flux, because John was dead, you know, he, I think they even said he basically somehow was
Kenny Mac (01:06:11.47)
from being reintegrated into the timeline. think they even mention there’s like other Terminators there at the same time. Here all trying to find John Connor.
Yeah.
Cal MacD (01:06:28.012)
Yeah. So, yeah, that’s so this is like where the film goes is that Sarah Connor keeps getting these anonymous texts of where and when terminators are arriving and she goes to destroy them each time. And it turns out it’s coming from Arnie, who is now married with a family as a terminator. But he does say it’s a strictly platonic relationship.
Yeah.
and then they all decide to go off and kill because it’s legion as the news not Skyner anymore it’s Legion
That is the most generic name. I remember when they said the name I was like, what?
Yeah.
Cal MacD (01:07:13.513)
and the protector this time, I kind of quite like the idea of an augment and that she also needs to keep fuel so she can only work in short bursts.
Yeah, I liked her.
Yeah, like when I first saw it, I was like, I don’t know about, but then when you see it in the film, it makes a lot of sense. But the Terminator in this one is so unmemorable.
Yeah.
There’s just nothing to really remember.
Kenny Mac (01:07:42.722)
Yes, literally trying to play T1 Satan.
Yeah, essentially, he’s trying to do another… He’s just doing a bad impression of a T1000, really.
I think that’s what he was told, like, okay, you’re the upgraded version of the T1000. Just be that.
Kenny Mac (01:08:03.884)
Yeah, I… Other than the…
I would say the death scene is probably the most memorable.
Yeah. Yeah, that’s really it. But,
Oh, there was the fight in the jet, in the plane.
yeah, that was quite good as well. But overall, was like, again, this was meant to start another trilogy, wasn’t it? And I have to say, the future leader of the Resistance, she was a really just such a bland performer. I remember much about her, characteristics.
Kenny Mac (01:08:40.076)
Yeah, the-
Kenny Mac (01:08:45.085)
The… No, they wrote her as, know, the whole, you know, I am… I am… I’m a woman. I am strong. I am this, that. It’s like everything you… Everything…
Kenny Mac (01:09:03.694)
It didn’t work.
Yeah, she just didn’t work at all. was just, you just didn’t get any vibe from her at all.
They was Sarah. They wrote her as originally the Damsel.
and she becomes the warrior.
Yeah, and in the whole first film, was literally she as a damsel, she helps out a wee bit. Then in between the first and second, you find out she’s been training to become a soldier. But in Dark Fate, they’re trying to condense that all into this one film.
Cal MacD (01:09:54.7)
Yeah, yeah, it’s just like she should have really started to show her leadership qualities just at the end kind of.
and it doesn’t
Kenny Mac (01:10:02.914)
Yeah, because it takes away from you wanting to root for the character.
You want to see them actually properly grow. And throughout the film there were some bits where she was… She did show some of that, but…
It was too much too soon type thing.
Yeah, yeah, I get what you mean. It’s kind of the frontloaded the story about tomorrow.
And what I think they should have done when they showed the flashback to Hope being saved by her in the future.
Kenny Mac (01:10:52.914)
I think it should have been… I think it should have been Hope that was the leader of the resistance and…
Kenny Mac (01:11:05.752)
She finds out that the Legion is sending a Terminator back to kill the girl before she can find her. Because I think in the flashback, was about to be killed. So I think if it turned out that Hope was the leader of the resistance and not the girl she was sent back to save, who she thought was the leader, I think that would have worked a lot better.
Alright, yeah, yeah.
You know, would have been a good twist. You know, because Hope was too much more likeable. I don’t even remember the girl’s name.
need to try to be honest.
If you can’t, like you remember Sarah Connor You know, you remember Sarah
Cal MacD (01:11:56.727)
Yeah.
Remember Kyle Reese, you remember?
Yeah, but this new girl… I honestly can’t remember her name. You know, and that’s not good if you want to build a trilogy around her.
Yeah, like I even remember Catherine Brewster’s name.
Mm-hmm.
Cal MacD (01:12:19.112)
and I remember Marcus and all that.
You I-
Yeah
This was a step up from the last film, definitely. And there were some wee ideas brought in, but they never really went anywhere with it. And then just at the end of the day, they’ve just remade, they’ve just done T1 and T2 and T3 and T5. They’ve just done it again. Long Chase film with a Terminator. It’s like, really, it’s getting stale. It’s like really stale at this point.
Mm-hmm.
Cal MacD (01:13:03.212)
Yeah.
That’s a winter.
Yeah, I still have. Not as bad as the last one I would say. It’s definitely a step up but it’s still no good.
Cal MacD (01:13:44.396)
Now apologies for the abrupt ending there. What happened was Kenny was sadly terminated suddenly and Skynet took over his internet connection and his headphones and his microphone and he couldn’t continue doing the podcast any longer. He will be back. He’ll be back. Kenny’s always going to be back. He says so himself. But thank you all very much for listening to this. Please go along to the double bill of the terminator at the launter.
Friday the 20th September kicking off at 7 p.m. with the original Terminator followed immediately by Terminator 2 both with an introduction by our good friend Herward Prupes and keep your eyes out for more Ocon news, more OCAS news and before we sign off a big thank you to Rod Morrison for the incredible theme music and as always a huge thanks to John for the amazing artwork he did for the podcast. Look forward to speaking to you all again soon and hearing from you.
Take care, goodbye.
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