OH!Halloween: Nightmare on Elm Street, Hannibal Lecter, & the Ultimate Horror Watchlist

Episode Description: Your Essential Halloween Horror Podcast

Welcome to a truly fiendishly evil and haunting OH!CAST Halloween Special! 🎃👻

This is your essential Halloween horror podcast, engineered to deliver an “island gateway to hell” right through your speakers. We’ve gone all out to deliver a full hour of the most shocking, spooky, and downright terrifying films and TV shows you need to watch this Fright Night.

Join your hosts: Cal Macdonald, the “Graeme Reaper” (Graeme), and “Rhian-non-a-broom” (Rhiannon Eliza), as they dive deep into the darkness to reveal their ultimate list of scary suggestions. We’ve scoured the depths of the horror genre to bring you the best—and the most awful—suggestions, ensuring you have a truly miserable, nightmare-inducing holiday weekend. We kick off the show by introducing our themed nicknames and setting the stage for a truly macabre discussion about the films and series that scared us most.

 

 

Unmissable Scary Movies and TV Shows for Halloween

On this jam-packed episode, the OH!CAST team has prepared a curated list of picks that go beyond the usual horror suspects. Forget the tired classic horror movie marathon; OH!CAST focuses on the chilling hidden gems, cult classics, and intense, modern psychological thrillers that are guaranteed to give you a fright. Whether you’re looking for a demonic possession story, a classic slasher film, an atmospheric foreign horror movie, or just the very best scary movies and TV shows for Halloween night, our hosts have something that will scratch your terrifying itch. You won’t want to miss a single minute of this Halloween horror podcast as the recommendations come pouring in.

The discussion covers everything from films you’ve simply never heard of to deep-cut analysis of horror storylines in beloved shows, making it essential listening for any genre enthusiast. Our hosts share their personal experiences, why these recommendations should be on your viewing list, and which horror watches truly failed to deliver the promised scares. We delve into different sub-genres, ensuring there is a recommendation for every type of fear, from gore to psychological unease.

The goal is simple: arm you with the perfect list of best scary TV and movie picks for a whole weekend of spooky entertainment. Tune in to find out which horror recommendation receives the coveted OH!CAST stamp of approval for maximum terror. If you’re a true fan of the horror genre, this OH!CAST Halloween Special is the premier Halloween horror podcast and mandatory listening for your yearly dose of fright. By the time the episode ends, you will have a comprehensive watchlist ready for the holiday.

 

Listener Engagement and The Buffy Part 2 Announcement

This episode also features the signature playful banter and deep-cut pop culture references you expect from your favorite Halloween horror podcast. We celebrate the season with costume-ready nicknames and plenty of haunted humor, proving that even discussing the scariest material can be fun.

The community engagement is paramount—we encourage all listeners to leave a review and share their own top recommendations! Your five-star review helps us out massively in the algorithms and keeps us bringing you more quality pop culture deep dives. Don’t forget to connect with us on social media to share your own fright night plans!

Before we wrap up this chilling edition, we have exciting news! The Scoobies are coming back: we are thrilled to announce we are recording Buffy the Vampire Slayer Part 2 very soon! If you are looking for a definitive OH!CAST Buffy the Vampire Slayer discussion, make sure you listen to the upcoming episode. We’ll be covering all the details and controversial moments that the first discussion couldn’t fit, including more focus on later seasons and key character arcs.

For now, we hope you’ve enjoyed these Halloween horror recommendations, and that you get absolutely no peaceful sleep tonight! We hope to see you very soon on the next show. Like, follow, and subscribe so you don’t miss Buffy Part 2 or the next Halloween horror podcast episode!

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Full Transcript Outline (Quick Jumps)

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Full Transcript

Cal Macdonald (00:00.362)
Can you hear me and see me?

Rhiannon Eliza (00:00.91)
We can’t date.

Graeme (00:02.811)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (00:04.268)
Nice and clear,

Rhiannon Eliza (00:06.548)
Aha.

Graeme (00:07.003)
so far.

Cal Macdonald (00:07.996)
Okay, so far so good. Good evening. Welcome to a fiendishly evil and haunting episode of Ocast. Your island gateway to hell basically. for tonight anyway. See, I’m fitting them all in. So joining me tonight by team, I will welcome them back and tonight you are the Graeme Reaper.

Rhiannon Eliza (00:33.058)
That is excellent.

Graeme (00:35.877)
Thank you very much, Cal.

Cal Macdonald (00:37.86)
And also coming back you’re not spayed from the punish. I’ve got to really think because it’s quite it’s Rhian- non a broom. Do you like that?

Rhiannon Eliza (00:38.574)
Also, coming back here to the cottage, I’ve got a really big surprise for It’s Ian on a broom. That’s fantastic! I thought they just had people in the same television show. I they were just going the same place.

Graeme (00:46.892)
Hohohohoho

Cal Macdonald (00:55.21)
Yeah.

Because I thought about this, because I was thinking of those Simpsons Halloween specials, how they always had the spooky nicknames. thought, well, Graham, that’s easy. There’s we were like, what the hell? Gee. And that took… We are on a broom. Yes. Thank you very much. So it’s our second Halloween show and our tradition is we choose three different types of media from four. It was book, TV show, movie and video game.

Graeme (01:03.141)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:07.628)
Rhiannon a broom. I’m gonna get that on a t-shirt. I’m gonna get that on a t-shirt Cal. That is brilliant.

Cal Macdonald (01:27.156)
We made our choices off screen and we’re here to talk about, we’ve all chosen a movie. So the newest person will go first. So that’s great then. Your movie of choice for Halloween that you recommend to folk.

Graeme (01:40.795)
My movie of choice for Halloween is a movie that absolutely terrified me when I was a child.

Cal Macdonald (01:50.314)
Bambi.

Graeme (01:50.894)
You got me. It is horrific, but that’s another… No.

Cal Macdonald (01:53.876)
Hahaha

Rhiannon Eliza (01:55.884)
We laugh. We laugh. I was going to say, was like, but actually, complex themes.

Graeme (02:03.793)
So to set this scene, roughly 1989 I would have been about 8 years old and I had already discovered that I quite liked movies that I probably shouldn’t like at that age and all sorts of spooky things. And I saw that for the first time ever, Channel 4 was showing A Nightmare on Elm Street at half past 10 at night on a Friday night near Halloween. So I…

Cal Macdonald (02:25.279)
Ooh, nice,

Graeme (02:31.889)
dutifully went to my bed like the good child that I was, set a little alarm under my pillow, got up and snuck my little portable TV on and sat and for the next hour and a half I was totally transfixed but absolutely terrified. Everything about it, for the next six months roughly every single squeak, every creak.

Rhiannon Eliza (02:32.046)
So I dutifully went to my bed like the good child that I was, sat a little alone underneath my bed.

Rhiannon Eliza (02:48.078)
no! Yeah.

Graeme (02:58.489)
every fence creaking outside, I was convinced Freddy was coming for me. But the first one in particular is such a good slasher movie.

Cal Macdonald (03:07.903)
because the simple things it does to represent Freddie in a nightmare. And it’s just so subtle. Like I know the later ones, they become more entertaining than scary, but that first one is genuinely creepy. I, yeah.

Graeme (03:14.385)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (03:14.734)
That’s so subtle. I know that later on, it becomes more or a pain in the skin, but that fudge was genuinely creepy. It’s when it uses your own, the things that you would normally hear, the usual sounds, the usual fears and then just like layers it. Like it’s just so sinister.

Graeme (03:22.747)
Yes.

Graeme (03:29.049)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (03:31.915)
And the one that got me was there’s a shot early on where he’s walking down the street and his arms are stretched. And that just on its own was just so creepy and the sparks coming off as he’s dragging. And it’s just simple things like that that do creepy out in that form.

Graeme (03:34.309)
Yeah.

Graeme (03:39.183)
Yes.

Rhiannon Eliza (03:39.534)
Mm.

Rhiannon Eliza (03:47.566)
No, Oh, what a soundtrack, may I say.

Graeme (03:48.998)
Yeah, it’s so good in that way. And at the time it was probably second only to John Curtenter’s Halloween, just for that creep factor.

Graeme (04:04.955)
Thank you much.

Rhiannon Eliza (04:06.604)
Yeah, that’s a great choice.

Cal Macdonald (04:08.375)
Yeah, John Carpenter’s very intricate compositions, as we all know. He uses a wide variety of notes in his music, but they work, they work really. But yeah, also that, but the ending of it doesn’t make much sense. And they tacked on that ending, because it just meant to end, because then like the ending’s like, well, we’ve got to have sequel baiting here.

Graeme (04:18.714)
You

Graeme (04:31.277)
Yes, and then.

Graeme (04:38.737)
Yeah, the whole thing really. mean, Freddy… You know, you’ve got the iconic design with… You see that jumper, you see that colour scheme, even now, sort of 35 years later, I’m thinking, right, okay, that’s Freddy’s colours. You’ve got the glove, which… That was just cool. In a scary sort of way. Robert England just plays the character so well.

Rhiannon Eliza (04:58.072)
yeah

Graeme (05:07.567)
He just gets it. The way he moves the whole way through it, it’s just everything is a masterclass and creep.

Rhiannon Eliza (05:08.814)
I sometimes you do watch something and you go, I don’t want to say you were born to play this because it’s terrifying, but equally, I don’t know if anyone else could have just done what you did.

Graeme (05:20.763)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (05:23.507)
Yeah.

Graeme (05:25.915)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (05:26.591)
And I have to ask, as a woman, did the bath scene freak you out even more? Like that hands and this, yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (05:34.382)
It’s enough, yeah, yeah. I mean, what’s funny is that my film choice will probably go into those realms as well. But I will come to that. But yes, I would definitely say that it just like, it kind of just gets into your skin in like a kind of a way that feels a little personal. It’s like, oh, somebody, you understand me. That’s creepy. Okay, yeah.

Cal Macdonald (05:40.614)
You’re right.

Cal Macdonald (05:47.892)
Yeah.

But it is…

Graeme (05:50.669)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (05:55.219)
Yes.

Graeme (05:56.336)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (05:59.169)
And it’s just like, and also the iconic, the ceiling shot where you just see the face pressing. It’s just very simple compared to what, well, I’m not gonna, and I don’t mean it got worse, Nightmare Island. Definitely it’s a very creative series, the rest of it. It’s, and Robert Englund gets to really stretch his acting muscles and it’s very visually creative, but that original has just got the creep factor that the others don’t.

Graeme (06:23.205)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (06:24.172)
It’s isn’t it because I think that sometimes it’s like the kind of tense psychological that kind of like not over what’s the word I’m looking for not like sort of over dramatizing everything not like giving the audience everything to look at all of the time

Cal Macdonald (06:37.92)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (06:41.962)
is way more effective for me personally when it comes to creeping me out. It’s like if I see lots of gore or lots of like I’m just a bit like, okay, but it’s the and it’s and it’s great and I’m sure some people love it but like yeah it’s that kind of really insidious creeping feeling and just the little nods to everyday life that’s like gosh no no thank you.

Cal Macdonald (06:56.992)
Yeah.

Yes, which is like selling modern horror films or what they call horror films now it’s loud noise you jump, loud noise you jump.

Rhiannon Eliza (07:06.062)
Yeah, loud noise you jump, something following you, music drops, you jump, you’re like, okay.

Cal Macdonald (07:12.042)
Yep.

Graeme (07:12.325)
Yep. And you can kind of predict the jump scares with so many horror films now because you do get that. It’s like music, music, music, silence. Right. OK, let’s count to five. Here it comes. Jump scare.

Cal Macdonald (07:14.336)
So I’ll take a second. Yep. Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (07:17.966)
Mmm, you know when it’s coming.

I’ve been listening to the a while. I don’t know if you guys have seen Sinners? Did you guys watch Sinners? So this came out recently- no, okay, I actually can’t talk about it then, because otherwise I’ll ruin a very good bit.

Cal Macdonald (07:31.52)
So yeah, tangents are allowed when we’re doing our solo shows like this.

Cal Macdonald (07:39.616)
It rings a bell, rings a bell, to the car.

Graeme (07:40.881)
know it’s on my to watch list.

Rhiannon Eliza (07:50.03)
But all I’ll say is that, yeah, take, take, take, I was gonna say, it’s like, there’s parts in that which I, Graham’s commitment for all yous that can’t see, just took his headphones off. It’s okay, won’t give you the spoiler, but it’s just like, it’s one of those where I actually think that film on one or two occasions really caught something to me that I think has been missing from films of this genre for a long time. When you guys have watched it, we should totally do a Sinner’s One of these because it was amazing.

Cal Macdonald (07:53.888)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (08:13.919)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (08:18.687)
Alright.

Rhiannon Eliza (08:19.246)
But I will leave it there.

Graeme (08:19.697)
Okay.

Cal Macdonald (08:22.34)
on that like modern horror films that have scared me, the last one was It Follows, that and that was like a bit of a callback to the 80s. You know that it’s such a simple, and it plays on teenage fears and anxieties around sex and it’s basically you have to lose your virginity or you’re stalked by a person that no one else can see. And so in the film you’re with these characters and you end up just looking

everywhere in crowd. You’re looking, is that person meant to be, is that no? And it becomes very unnerving the whole film. You’re not too sure who, it’s like again, a simple concept. There’s not much gore, but it’s just real heart and the sound. It’s a very callback to the 80s, that kind of thing. Yes.

Rhiannon Eliza (08:55.912)
Okay. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (09:08.933)
I think I would like that then. Gonna put that on my watch list.

Graeme (09:13.035)
I think in general I probably lean more towards that more kind of psychological level of horror than the gore, despite you know Nightmare on Elm Street is classically gory. know, we’ve got gallons of blood, spoilers, but when Johnny Depp gets eaten…

Cal Macdonald (09:13.417)
Okay?

Rhiannon Eliza (09:16.942)
Everywhere.

Cal Macdonald (09:17.568)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (09:27.018)
yeah, the infamous,

Cal Macdonald (09:31.712)
It’s satisfied on many levels these days watching Johnny Depp get eaten out by me soon.

Cal Macdonald (09:40.884)
Right, I agree you are jumping at the better year one.

Rhiannon Eliza (09:44.622)
Well, to be honest, kind of similar lines in many ways. I was gonna go, I was torn, I was torn between my love, which is The Lost Boys, but I’m gonna go for Silence of the Lambs, which is kind of similarly that kind of really, you don’t see a lot of it on screen, but the bits that you do see, it’s like, it makes you think about it the whole time. And what I was saying earlier about like, as a woman,

Cal Macdonald (09:55.104)
Okay.

Okay.

Cal Macdonald (10:05.461)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (10:14.452)
do you find it particularly uncomfortable to watch or like to see? My partner and I actually watched it like a couple of days ago and the whole time I was just sat there going like I feel like I don’t know if he felt it in the same way that I felt it but it was like you understand or the person who was you know they were making it very clear that like you I felt like Clarice you were in that room and you were the only woman and then you were

Cal Macdonald (10:16.916)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (10:29.888)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (10:42.382)
handling like the body and things like that and it just I think it really just put you in the time in the place and yeah messed with my head. Yeah, yeah, really intense dialogue. Anthony Hopkins. Or should I go? I was gonna say should I? Or should I say? Like, cause that, ooh, like it really.

Cal Macdonald (10:52.052)
Yeah, because the interesting with that is it’s just mostly scenes of dialogue, just really intense dialogue, just amazingly delivered.

Yeah, it’s a myth.

Graeme (11:05.297)
Hahaha

Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (11:10.572)
Like it gets you. It’s like it’s so out of nowhere. by, and you find like he’s so compelling, but you’re like this, but at the same time, like this guy is completely like, he’s literally going to eat your face. Like why, why are you invested in his storyline? Like it’s, it’s, I’m just going to be, I’m just meeting an old friend for dinner or like, what do do? What does he say? Like it’s like, you know, it’s just, I’ve, totally butchered that last line, haven’t I? That is not what it says.

Cal Macdonald (11:12.032)
Yeah.

Graeme (11:38.545)
Having an old friend for dinner.

Rhiannon Eliza (11:40.332)
Having an old friend for dinner. Thank you. was like, butchered. But yes, no, having an old friend for dinner. But even then it’s like, why am I invested in the fact that like, I shouldn’t be wanting him to go get that guy. Why do I feel like, yeah, you do use this. Like, Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (11:50.666)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (11:54.784)
Yeah.

Graeme (11:57.094)
And he’s only on screen for something like 18 minutes.

Cal Macdonald (11:57.216)
Yeah, but it is a centri-it’s.

Rhiannon Eliza (12:00.918)
yeah, yeah, yeah. Really short amount of time. But my God, what he did with those 18 minutes was terrifying. Clarice. It’s

Cal Macdonald (12:07.549)
It’s just how he’s savour every word and delivery of it. It’s just precision to unnerve you.

Graeme (12:15.985)
There’s so much of it as well where he’s staring straight down the camera though. So when you’re saying that it puts you into that moment of where you feel like you are Clarice, that’s the direction, everything about that is designed to put you in that moment.

Rhiannon Eliza (12:29.954)
That’s very true, Graham. Yeah, no, definitely.

Cal Macdonald (12:31.137)
Yeah. And probably your thoughts on Jodie Foster in that role as well, because it launched her career into the stratosphere, I think, that role.

Rhiannon Eliza (12:42.602)
Mm-hmm. Graham, you care to take the floor on this one?

Graeme (12:45.869)
I think in terms of her lead, you know, there was everything there. You got that she was…

The doubts that she had as a character came across so well. But at the same time trying to put forward that front where she’s not going to be intimidated by Lecter. But who couldn’t be intimidated?

Rhiannon Eliza (13:08.462)
I think that’s actually nail on the head statement. Like, because this whole time you’re kind of going, it’s because she’s a girl. Like, you know, and there is a lot of that is going like, it’s because she’s a girl. she didn’t check the corner when she came out because she’s a girl. Or she didn’t do the thing in the training because she’s like, no, no, no, no, no, no, When it whittles down to it, it’s literally like, not only is she a badass and not only.

Graeme (13:20.337)
Mm-mm.

Graeme (13:34.907)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (13:35.498)
Is she incredibly good at her job and incredibly competent and very well trained? But like, who could stand up to this guy? Like literally, no, yeah, no. think, nail on the head, nail on the head.

Cal Macdonald (13:49.026)
I think I’ve to ask you an opinion. Was it Manhunt or Red Dragon that was before the one with Brian Cox? Manhunter, that’s a, trying to remember. What’s your thoughts on Brian Cox’s take on it just to go off?

Graeme (13:55.502)
One hunter. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (14:04.79)
myself. I gonna say, not aware. No, not seeing it. No, no, no, no, no. So I’m afraid I cannot answer that question. I am sorry.

Cal Macdonald (14:05.663)
Yeah, yeah, because it’s your pick, yeah. All right. You know, it’s all right.

Cal Macdonald (14:14.481)
Because it was, yeah.

Graeme (14:16.406)
I like it, but you can’t top Hopkins.

Rhiannon Eliza (14:23.464)
No. I mean, obviously I’m just saying this not having seen the other one, but I’m like, that was absolutely chilling to its depth. And not only chilling, it was layered. was, as you say, in 18 minutes, I felt like this person not only knew me, but I knew them. and it’s, yeah, it’s a thrilling performance.

Cal Macdonald (14:44.289)
And then the sequel, Hannibal wasn’t it? That was the sequel many years later that we got, which was, it became funny in the end. I was laughing. There was no threat from the guy. The scene where Ray Liotta’s eating his own brain was just twisted comedy then. It was just became very camp and silly. It was like.

Graeme (14:49.828)
Yes.

Graeme (15:03.12)
Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (15:04.59)
was the comedy then. It just became very calm and silly. But in a way, almost don’t mind things like, in a sense, it’s like they’ve gone down a totally different road because they know they’re not going to be able to remake a cinematic masterpiece. So they’ve decided to do a little bit of fan service whilst having a laugh. Like to a degree, I feel like it’s like, you know, there’s…

Cal Macdonald (15:16.523)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (15:26.699)
Yeah, yes.

Graeme (15:26.713)
I it in the cinema and I’ve seen it maybe twice since but I can’t actually remember. Is that Hannibal that ends with him and Clarisse going off down a romantic route? Or was that the book and then they changed, they did an edit to the book afterwards?

Cal Macdonald (15:41.737)
It’s in the book.

in the book she falls in love with him isn’t it? As I recall in Hannibal he kisses her and like she doesn’t necessarily resist but they don’t get together as such. kind of

Graeme (15:58.674)
But the book she goes off to Florence with him doesn’t she? Yeah. And then after the movie came out… Sorry!

Cal Macdonald (16:01.277)
Yes, they properly fall in love in the books. She properly falls in love with them.

Rhiannon Eliza (16:06.52)
This is me learning this for the first time. I’ve picked this as my film. I’ve picked this as my film and I’m going, what? This is why I should have gone with The Lost Boys. Yeah, but this is it. I should have gone with The Lost Boys. I know way more about that. But like, literally I’m like, what?

Cal Macdonald (16:07.625)
Yeah, I’m just…

Cal Macdonald (16:14.497)
Yeah.

Graeme (16:15.249)
And then…

You

Cal Macdonald (16:21.151)
Yeah, just I think if you’ve been watching her, Joel’s been hitting the floor more and more as we’ve been discussing.

Rhiannon Eliza (16:26.26)
Literally I’m going…

Graeme (16:30.865)
That’s a look of horror.

Rhiannon Eliza (16:32.62)
Yeah, well that is true horror achieved tonight, gentlemen. True horror achieved.

Cal Macdonald (16:32.649)
Yes. So you’ve, yeah. Yeah, because the time is now is Hannibal the one that ends with him on the plane with a kid that’s asking what’s that to say, that’s something special I made. Yeah, he’s got the wee books and I could still got bits of Ray Liotta’s fried brain in it. It’s like, yeah.

Graeme (16:48.77)
I think it is,

Rhiannon Eliza (16:49.869)
I think so.

Graeme (16:54.895)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (16:56.234)
Yeah, I honestly can’t say I’ve seen it since I saw it, which is probably about…

Cal Macdonald (16:59.049)
I think he does give a wee bit to the kids here, have some of this. Like the kids, what’s your meal you got there? When you can still take food onto planes.

Rhiannon Eliza (17:04.236)
Right, solid. Yeah, just a little bit of brain. Don’t mind me.

Graeme (17:08.731)
What did?

Cal Macdonald (17:11.029)
Yeah.

Graeme (17:12.241)
What did you think of the series?

Cal Macdonald (17:16.097)
Not seen this, was that a TV series they made of it?

Rhiannon Eliza (17:18.126)
Oh, the TV with the one with Mads Mikkelsen in it. Yeah, yeah. want to say I watched like the first two. How many series, how many seasons were there? Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like I watched the first two of them. I don’t think I watched the third and I can’t quite remember why. But I must admit the scene when I think it might even been in one of the first couple of episodes where they come in and they find that body like.

Graeme (17:18.447)
Yeah. Yes.

Graeme (17:30.449)
Maybe

Rhiannon Eliza (17:45.912)
draped over like all the antlers and all that stuff. That made, I was like, okay, that’s a bit gross. I will say it takes quite a lot. I think it takes quite a lot for me to go, I didn’t want to see that dude. Like, I was actually like, my. Yeah, but it, to me that was, I’m not going to lie, the amount of tension between those two.

Graeme (17:48.271)
Yep, first one.

Graeme (17:55.183)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (18:05.124)
you

Rhiannon Eliza (18:13.726)
Anyone who claims that that was not some very layered gay romance was not watching the same TV show as I.

Graeme (18:20.145)
No, I don’t think anyone could claim that.

Rhiannon Eliza (18:23.534)
It’s like, I don’t think even the actors did. swear there was like an award ceremony or something where he was like flirting with him on stage and he was like, yes. And I was just like, okay. Honestly, Mads, I get it. I love you. get it. Fantastic. But no, that was, was there also an episode with the mushrooms? I want to say there was like, like there was mushrooms growing out. Yeah, that was weird too. Yeah, there was some good, there was some good bits in there.

Graeme (18:26.992)
No.

Graeme (18:33.165)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (18:38.934)
Yeah.

Graeme (18:40.038)
Yeah.

Graeme (18:45.859)
Yes, there was. Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (18:52.494)
I’m do that after today. I’m gonna go and watch a little episode after tonight. No, I’m just gonna be outraged.

Graeme (18:54.597)
need to.

Cal Macdonald (18:59.242)
Yeah, I don’t think you’re going to be reading the books after we’ve spoiled the books. are you? He didn’t want to. Totally spoiled. You’ve been… Yeah.

Graeme (18:59.619)
Enjoy!

No, but since the movie came out, they’ve reprinted the book with a movie-like ending.

Cal Macdonald (19:13.28)
Yeah, it’s kind of reflects what happens in the films,

Rhiannon Eliza (19:13.646)
Graeme (19:15.439)
Yeah, because

Rhiannon Eliza (19:16.396)
Wait, how come? Like, was it just like audience reaction or… Was it this reaction? This reaction the whole time?

Graeme (19:20.731)
I’m not sure, just don’t… Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (19:21.292)
I fit. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. it’s.

Graeme (19:26.482)
I remembered reading the book beforehand, then seeing the movie, then re-reading the book and the whole romance subplot was gone.

Cal Macdonald (19:29.527)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (19:35.736)
Weird. But also interesting. wonder if anyone, we, when our Halloween episode is released, I wonder if anyone in the comments could provide us with either some clarity or insight as to why that might be. If you’re listening. Cause that would be cool to know. That’s interesting. I wonder why they did that. As I said, probably cause people’s faces were like, Clarice, no! Like, no, bad Clarice, very bad, stop it!

Cal Macdonald (19:48.898)
Yes, there you go. There you go.

Graeme (19:59.506)
You

Graeme (20:04.825)
You

Rhiannon Eliza (20:05.75)
spraying a water bottle. Excellent. So Cal, what about yourself?

Cal Macdonald (20:12.322)
Yes.

Graeme (20:12.527)
I’m the Psychiatrist.

Cal Macdonald (20:19.266)
Okay, think, right. It is a beloved film. It’s become a cult film this one. I think you saw the one I mentioned, Graham. I don’t think, do you see what I wrote in the group chat, Aaron? So again, this was, I was a student in Glasgow in 1998, 97, I think this film was in. This is a film nobody actually went to watch. I went to watch the second I saw the trailer, I have to see it.

Graeme (20:19.451)
What?

Rhiannon Eliza (20:32.268)
No, I didn’t. Sorry.

Cal Macdonald (20:47.742)
And was the Odeon and Sockie Hall Street. It’s now long gone. Event Horizon.

Rhiannon Eliza (20:55.17)
can’t say it’s ever crossed my path.

Cal Macdonald (20:56.204)
Some people deride this film and others shall defend it partially. Graham, you’ve said it, where do you stand on this one?

Graeme (21:03.137)
I will defend it. I will absolutely defend it. It’s, yeah, it’s all the good things to

Cal Macdonald (21:05.066)
Yes, great. Thank you.

Rhiannon Eliza (21:08.206)
Can I take a brief blurb? What’s happening in this? Because I’ve never seen it. I have no idea of its existence.

Cal Macdonald (21:14.166)
Well, it’s interesting. Are you aware of Warhammer by any chance? Because this is a fan theory that went forward.

Rhiannon Eliza (21:22.414)
Warhammer and I have dabbled. Only a little bit, I’ve dabbled.

Cal Macdonald (21:24.65)
Yes, okay. Because it’s now been speculated this film is a prequel to Warhammer in a weird way. Well, so it’s basically set 2064 or something and there’s a prototype spaceship which is designed for faster than light flight. It activates its drive, it disappears. 10 years later it appears over Neptuneus in a Grimm.

Rhiannon Eliza (21:38.859)
Okay.

Graeme (21:50.798)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (21:52.435)
And Sam Neill, he’s the guy designed the ship. He’s going out with a rescue ship to investigate what happened. And then just spooky shit starts happening on the ship. Basically the ship, they read the ship is actually alive somehow. And then you find out it basically went to a chaos dimension and came back and brought that, there’s that chaos, but it’s kind of, it’s never explained, but this is what I took. The chaos spirit is attached to the ship. And then there’s one thing, Graham, I don’t know. Do you think,

Rhiannon Eliza (21:58.51)
people.

Rhiannon Eliza (22:03.092)
Okay. Okay.

Cal Macdonald (22:23.226)
Sam Neill went to that dimension himself originally. This is something to speak, because it’s very well-specified, like when he appears on the rescue ship, like you don’t see him being debriefed, he just kind of appears on their ship and they want to see kind of guide this crew to take the ship back to the other dimension.

Graeme (22:28.207)
I thank you, Dad.

Graeme (22:44.549)
Yeah, I think he probably did.

Rhiannon Eliza (22:45.326)
My goodness!

Cal Macdonald (22:47.722)
So it’s mixture of alien and shining space. I will say an amazing cast, Sam Neill, Laurence Fishburne, Jason Isaacs, Julie Richardson.

all really and yes the only one that stands out is what was his name jt cooper is that the name of the actor well it’s a cooper character anyway i can’t remember to play the but he feels like he was taken in from a michael bay film because he’s there to say sassy lines all the time which i make no sense the context like it’s utter horror going on

Graeme (23:13.318)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (23:20.458)
Okay. I kind of love, I kind of love and hate the way that we both just understood that. Me not having seen it and Graham having seen it and we both just went, I see.

Cal Macdonald (23:31.764)
Yeah. Yes.

Graeme (23:36.037)
Yes!

Cal Macdonald (23:36.557)
But yeah, it’s basically when they get to the spaceship, there’s accidents happening, they’re stuck on the event horizon trying to get off and they’re all starting to hallucinate badly. They’re seeing just quite somewhat the production design on this film is amazing. It is like so visually rich. Strange because of who the director is that this film is so beloved. Now see Paul W.S. Anderson or Paul Anderson.

Rhiannon Eliza (23:42.35)
Thank

Rhiannon Eliza (24:00.59)
think it’s just Paul Anderson. That’s the…wonderful combat guy. Resident Evil. He directed all of those wonderful bits and pieces. But this film, basically he finished Mortal Kombat and he just wanted to be something serious. And he’s a guy I watch interviews. He comes across as the loveliest guy you could sit down and have a conversation with.

Graeme (24:03.301)
think it’s just Paul Anderson, it’s the… Is it the Mortal Kombat guy? Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (24:07.072)
Mortal Kombat guy, Resident Evil. He directed all of those wonderful bits of cinema. But this film, like he basically, he’d finished Mortal Kombat and he just wanted to do something serious. And he’s a guy, like I watch interviews and he comes across the loveliest guy you could sit, have a conversation with, but night. But his films are, most of his films are absolute dross to watch.

Rhiannon Eliza (24:29.632)
Isn’t that always the way?

Graeme (24:38.481)
I think you’re…

Cal Macdonald (24:38.496)
But notice that an amazing soundtrack. It’s a mixture of Michael Kamen and the Orb. This techno dreads, it’s like just an really amazing soundtrack.

Rhiannon Eliza (24:49.422)
I’m just gonna be making a list of what your guys recommendations are tonight, aren’t I’m just gonna be saying like, yeah, and the orb, yeah, it’s like combination. Very good. Yeah, excellent. I’m having a lovely time.

Cal Macdonald (24:54.176)
Yeah, right.

Graeme (24:58.618)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (24:58.811)
Yes.

But I do. Graham, you can pipe in with some of your opinions on Event Horizon.

Graeme (25:09.093)
No, was just because I think you have your description of it being sort of alien meets the shining is beyond perfect, actually. Just yeah, that is the ultimate description of it for me.

Cal Macdonald (25:27.062)
Yeah, and just like I said, really rich production design. Like, it looks like almost like a Ridley Scott film this, which is so strange considering who the director is. But like I just very creepy. did disturb me. think maybe because I was in the cinema on my own, because nobody watched this film. It flopped and it got savaged by the critics really badly. And there is, like I said, there’s debate amongst fans. Is it a masterpiece or is it total trash?

Graeme (25:35.227)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (25:39.79)
It’s very creepy, did disturb me, think maybe because I was in the cinema on my own, because nobody watched this for a week, and I got savaged by the critics really badly. also, like said, it’s debate amongst fans, is it a masterpiece or is it a total clash? I mean, I think that simply, you know, when you go far, like, what is it so far east, you west, like, it’s like, when something is so bad that it is actually gold, like,

Cal Macdonald (25:56.02)
I go on the masterpiece side.

Graeme (26:03.248)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (26:06.614)
Yeah. Yeah.

Graeme (26:08.817)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (26:09.526)
Let’s not deny ourselves a little treat. Like, you know, like, go with it.

Graeme (26:14.757)
Hi, I like all of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

Rhiannon Eliza (26:18.606)
I mean, I’ll be the first person, I’ll be the first person to watch a hallmark straight after a high brow. Like I fear not, I watched a film this week called French Lover, okay? And I will say that with my whole chest. I’m still.

Graeme (26:20.282)
All of them.

Cal Macdonald (26:25.186)
Yeah.

Graeme (26:27.153)
Ha

Cal Macdonald (26:32.246)
Right.

Graeme (26:34.203)
So the female lead moved to France where she opened a small bakery but had no friends in it.

Rhiannon Eliza (26:41.068)
No, close, close. No, but actually, to be honest, it wasn’t half bad. I actually, we watched the trailer and the trailer was worse than the film, which I was like surprised at. Like the trailer was way worse. Anyway, not that I’m, that was a horror of its own kind, shall we say.

Cal Macdonald (26:52.93)
but I…

Graeme (26:58.437)
And just to correct myself, it was Paul W.S. Anderson.

Cal Macdonald (27:03.296)
it is Paul W.S. Anderson. Really nice guy. Like when you listen to him, he’s a fan of film and he talks about, he did Alien vs Predator as well, which is, And he’s like, when I watched the, he was such an appreciation for the original and then, but he makes very, he makes films for 14 or 15 year old boys, basically. That could be a good thing, but.

Rhiannon Eliza (27:03.404)
There you go. There you go.

Rhiannon Eliza (27:26.498)
know they need films too they need films too I guess

Cal Macdonald (27:30.262)
Very superficial characters. They’re kind of just enjoyable. It’s like having a McDonald’s basically watching a lot of his films. Apart from this, Mortal Kombat as well, which I don’t think is as good as people make out Graeme, Where do you hold that one?

Graeme (27:45.746)
I wasn’t big fan of it. I loved the games, I thought… It just didn’t do it for me. There was so much more either way. Either going really really good or really really all the way around so bad it’s amazing. That could have been done with it and it just kind of landed in the…eh…territory for me.

Cal Macdonald (27:49.578)
Lots of people seem to love us, Mortal Kombat.

Rhiannon Eliza (27:58.005)
much more.

Rhiannon Eliza (28:04.493)
I feel like these things to survive they have to be one or the other. It has to be that kind of cult status of no no no yes yes yes or else if it lies in the middle it lies forgotten. Nobody needs a mare. Well.

Cal Macdonald (28:04.694)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (28:21.986)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (28:27.36)
Yeah. But yeah, there’s that, you’ve heard the fan theory, Graham, that this is the prequel to the Warhammer series. It basically sets up the events, doesn’t it? When they tear open the rift to the chaos dimension. And that’s what sets all of Warhammer into motion. So that’s a later fan theory. And yes, some trivia for you, Graham. You know when they finally decode the ship’s log and you see all that stuff happening.

Rhiannon Eliza (28:41.71)
There you go. There you go. Well that is a, then it’s a must on my list, gents. I’ll get that sorted.

Graeme (28:42.767)
Yeah. Yes.

Graeme (28:53.627)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (28:55.862)
They actually hired porn actors to do all of that stuff. Yes. And they allegedly, they out this film which is half an hour longer, which is more of the hell dimension shenanigans. But apparently it’s in such bad condition they can’t ever release it. They found a copy of it in a salt mine in Romania. There you go. I know it’s too much.

Graeme (28:59.537)
Tata!

Graeme (29:10.019)
Okay.

Graeme (29:21.157)
Because that’s where you keep the cuts of your movie.

Rhiannon Eliza (29:21.414)
No, surely not. Yeah, in a salt mine in Romania. Surely not, but also sounds so far-fetched that it must be true. Okay, so…

Cal Macdonald (29:24.896)
Yes.

And but it wasn’t.

Cal Macdonald (29:32.702)
Yes.

Graeme (29:37.307)
like the legend.

Cal Macdonald (29:37.314)
But yes, no, go and get it. And it’s been released on 4K as well. So it looks, and I’ve heard it looks really, they’ve taken a lot of care of the 4K version. looks stunning. So I highly recommend this. It’s a good one for Halloween. When it’s late, just turn the lights off. With a really good sound system, it will give you the chills.

Rhiannon Eliza (29:59.402)
Excellent, so consider me sold.

Cal Macdonald (30:01.516)
So, okay. So, did we all choose a TV as another media?

Rhiannon Eliza (30:08.31)
I think… Did you choose a podcast, Graham? Am I making that up? Yes. I chose TV. Yeah, I chose TV. Did we all choose a book?

Graeme (30:11.493)
I choose a podcast. Yeah. Yeah, just…

Cal Macdonald (30:13.482)
Right, you chose a TV.

Graeme (30:20.228)
I choose a game.

Cal Macdonald (30:20.85)
or I chose a game so… Book or game? Alright.

Rhiannon Eliza (30:22.22)
you chose a game? Okay.

Graeme (30:24.209)
I’ve got a book in mind if you want to do that.

Rhiannon Eliza (30:27.18)
Honestly, honestly don’t mind. could all, we’ll tell you what, you guys do your games and then I will, I’ll do my book. That’s okay.

Cal Macdonald (30:34.248)
cream, you go your game then.

Graeme (30:35.951)
Okay, my game will be probably reasonably quick, Red Dead Redemption Undead Nightmare.

Cal Macdonald (30:43.336)
nice one. I will put my hand up here. I’ve not played a Red Dead game yet. Not played a single one.

Graeme (30:44.86)
on

Have you not? Okay. You really should… If nothing else, play the second one. It’s…

Cal Macdonald (30:54.178)
Okay.

Graeme (31:00.251)
probably it’s definitely up there with the top three games ever for me. Everything about it from the art to the story to the acting to everything but we’re not here to talk about the new one that’s not so spooky. So Red Dead Redemption was the technically the second game in the series because it was Red Dead Revolver before it but it’s the one that kind of caught on and you followed John Marston who’s gunslinger

Cal Macdonald (31:05.74)
Okay.

Graeme (31:30.555)
forced to work for the Pinkerton’s, forced to hunt down his old gang members. But there was a DLC package called Undead Nightmare, which had similar gameplay, but it was set in a zombie type situation in the Old West. So you’re mixing elements of Weird West, you’re mixing elements of zombie horror, survival horror. It was just so much fun.

Rhiannon Eliza (31:36.846)
But there was a DLC package called Undead Knight here which had similar gameplay but it was set in a zombie type situation in the old west so you’re mixing elements of the old west, mixing elements of zombie horror, survival horror, it was just so much fun. You had to think a bit more about conserving your ammunition.

Graeme (31:58.918)
you had to think a bit more about conserving your ammunition. So although the gameplay was similar, you had a bit more of a challenge, certainly in the harder levels anyway, because trying to come across shotgun rounds was a bit of a nightmare. You had extra mechanics, like there was a blender burst that you could collect and use parts of zombies for killing zombies. And it weaves in just, it’s not…

it’s obviously not canon, but it weaves in bits of the main story as well and people that you’ve met along the way hinting that they might be behind it and if you’ve played the sequel Red Dead 2 there’s a character you meet in that who is a nun who you actually meet in Undead Nightmare working in Mexico so there’s lots of little callbacks, call forwards

Everything about it, the main thing for me though is it’s just fun.

Rhiannon Eliza (33:02.784)
as a game should be, really.

Cal Macdonald (33:02.85)
Okay, yes.

Graeme (33:04.347)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (33:07.074)
Well, they can be frustrating because then you want to, you know, because…

Rhiannon Eliza (33:09.526)
Yeah, that a little bit too. My other half’s playing silk song at the minute and I don’t think I’ve heard… I’ve heard nothing but frustration.

Graeme (33:10.961)
Ha

Cal Macdonald (33:16.481)
haha

Cal Macdonald (33:20.694)
Like last year, I finally started getting around to playing Mario games. And yes, they’re fun and frustrating at the same time. There’s a lot of swearing involved getting through Mario games.

Graeme (33:25.797)
No. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (33:32.408)
there must always be balance.

Cal Macdonald (33:33.982)
Yes.

Graeme (33:34.705)
You

Cal Macdonald (33:36.46)
So I’ve not got much to say because I’ve got no experience of Red Dead whatsoever at all. But it’s a Rockstar game if I’m right. So does it have all that kind of the Rockstar hallmarks in it as well?

Graeme (33:43.592)
Yeah, yeah, rock stalking.

Graeme (33:48.754)
I mean it’s not got the same sort soundtrack idea that the likes of GTA has but generally the yeah if you’ve played a Rockstar game you know what a Rockstar game looks like you know roughly how it feels picture that but old west with zombies added too and at some point I have actually bought the Deadlands TTRPG and at some point I would quite like to try running that for tabletops but

Cal Macdonald (34:11.98)
Yeah. Okay.

Graeme (34:17.585)
That’ll take a wee while to prep.

Cal Macdonald (34:19.774)
Alright, yeah, no problem at all.

Rhiannon Eliza (34:21.096)
All I know about Red Dead Redemption in general is that the voice actor, for Arthur got quite a lot of stick in the good way for being quite surprised by the fact that lot of the sort of maybe or otherwise orientated players with him saying, here girl, enjoyed it a lot. That is what I…

That is what I have heard and I’m not going to lie, it has potentially beaked my interest into wondering whether or not that would be a game for me. But as I say, I have not, it’s game for everyone. I actually only started playing games on the PC about actually when Baldur’s Gate came out. So I am incredibly new to that universe. And so I’m working my way through the classics at the minute and it is on my list, but your recommendation was not and therefore.

Graeme (34:56.092)
It’s a game for everyone.

Cal Macdonald (35:04.672)
Okay.

Rhiannon Eliza (35:16.59)
it now is. So I will put that on there. Yeah, 100%. I’m, as I say, I’m working my way through and Red Dead 2 is like the next one. I’m on Witcher 3 at the minute. Working my way through and Divinity. So I’m, and all kinds of…

Cal Macdonald (35:17.694)
Alright.

Graeme (35:25.904)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (35:26.146)
You

Cal Macdonald (35:29.772)
Yeah. So.

Graeme (35:31.737)
divinities on my wishlist.

Rhiannon Eliza (35:35.964)
Is it? Yeah, yeah, Bald’s Gate was great. Good times.

Graeme (35:36.943)
Yeah, purely because of Baldur’s Gate.

Cal Macdonald (35:38.348)
Yeah. All right.

So, excuse me. My game, I kind of mentioned briefly in passing earlier, but it’s a very specific version of this. Resident Evil, the first one. And it was the remaster that was done on the GameCube specifically. I just have such fond memories of playing that. Probably the second scariest game. The other one was the one I mentioned last year. And again, that’s something no one’s ever played. Eternal Darkness, Grim. Does that ring a bell? Sanity’s Requiem.

Rhiannon Eliza (35:54.478)
Okay.

Graeme (36:09.637)
heard of it but I’ve never played it.

Cal Macdonald (36:12.114)
You go around, definitely check that. I think you will really enjoy that. That’s a game. I’m just going to recap what I said last year. If anyone hasn’t played it, that’s a game that actually sets to mess with your head while you’re playing it. Because your character loses sanity effects and then the game actually starts to mess with you and does things where you’re not too sure. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (36:12.686)
Okay.

really? That’s quite fun. That’s quite cool. I like that. That’s quite immersive. I enjoy things like that.

Cal Macdonald (36:37.89)
because just to go on that, because I remember there was one thing where the screen went blue and it said, GameCube are in a fatal error. And had to take it to your, and that was just part of the game, but everyone just stood up and said, what the? But then it’s the game doing that to you. So it actually breaks fourth walls to mess with your head. But anyway, back to Resident Evil. We all know this. We all know and love Resident Evil, I think. Do we? am I?

Rhiannon Eliza (36:42.926)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (37:07.33)
You get a bit of a blank look of you, Rhianna. Little president you.

Rhiannon Eliza (37:09.666)
Yeah, no, I’m, this is me. I’m, as I say, I am reasonably, I’m reasonably new to this world as far as games are concerned through one way or another. I have come into contact with many, let’s say that once upon a time I dated boys who liked games and so I would sit and watch them. And so I have seen a heck of a lot of video games in my time, but I have not actually played them. So I feel a bit disingenuous kind of necessarily involving on that because it’s, but I will.

Cal Macdonald (37:35.266)
So I was hearing a sigh from your Grimm. Where are you?

Rhiannon Eliza (37:37.868)
You tell me, tell us more, gal.

Graeme (37:43.164)
So I have very mixed feelings about Resident Evil because I absolutely love the game. I love the story. Yep, yep, talking the same one. You know, the mansion. I love the story, I love the puzzles in it. But the controls. Or as my child constantly argues with me, it’s not the controls, it’s the camera. No, it’s the controls. I hate them. With-

Cal Macdonald (37:49.772)
first one are we talking the same one here yeah okay okay

Cal Macdonald (38:03.426)
We’ll see.

Cal Macdonald (38:08.02)
Yes. Yep.

Graeme (38:11.285)
so much of a passion. Now I remember it was one of the first ones I played with tank controls back in the day on the PlayStation and it was doable then but I will hold my hands up see since they switched it to just the 3D controls, the standard controls, it just doesn’t play the same and trying to go back to tank controls, the story, the game itself, amazing.

Cal Macdonald (38:27.072)
Yeah. All right.

Cal Macdonald (38:33.088)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (38:38.228)
Yeah, the atmosphere, that mansion, especially the GameCube version, they really amped it up. basic story, Rhiannon, is you play, what’s the name of their team again? I’ve forgotten. What’s, are they star or something? So it starts off, you’re chasing a guy and you get into a mansion, there’s a zombie there and then more uncovers. Raccoon City isn’t a part of the first one at all, is it?

Graeme (38:45.477)
Okay.

Graeme (38:52.428)
Star, Starlabs, yeah.

Graeme (39:07.537)
No, no, it’s pretty much contained.

Cal Macdonald (39:09.26)
That’s later on you go. So this is just, but you find out.

Rhiannon Eliza (39:09.486)
Is this the one with the woman with the really fabulous hat?

Graeme (39:18.917)
That’s a later one. That’s the most recent. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (39:19.842)
That was Sing Stone.

Rhiannon Eliza (39:20.206)
It’s that later one. Okay. Sorry. I’m trying to remember. I’m like placing this in my brain. Fair enough.

Cal Macdonald (39:26.722)
But…

Graeme (39:27.033)
on him, Lady Dimitrescu.

Rhiannon Eliza (39:29.976)
Possibly. just, I’m trying to think, I’m trying to imagine, you know what? Scratch this. I’m gonna look at some artwork whilst we’re talking. I’m gonna do that.

Cal Macdonald (39:33.389)
Yeah. Yeah. But this was probably the first game I remember playing where you had to do things like watch how much ammo you’re using. You can’t just go blast. You had to think, do I run past this guy? Can I get past them? Do I run back? Do I search for more ammo? But I need to solve this puzzle. You have to, it does start to get a bit tense and frustrating. And yeah, I know what you mean about the controls and the angles, but

For me, that made the tension of this game as well. Not great to play, but very tense to play as well. A minute of time, like, yeah, carry on.

Graeme (40:08.773)
Yes, there’s a specific…

I was going say there’s a specific hallway that I’m thinking of and you know come up the stairs and there’s a zombie in this hallway but as you walk into the hallway the camera angle switches so what you were doing to go forward now takes you backwards and I have I’ve sort of yeah I’ve sort of went in and out and out of this hallway so many times it’s just frustrating but the game is amazing

Rhiannon Eliza (40:32.014)
I’ve seen people do that. I saw them in and out and I thought it was simply tight. I wonder, you want to ever imagine how many minutes or even hours of your life you’ve spent doing that? It’s like, would that in itself be scary? Well, I must admit, this is great because I just, as I say, whilst you guys were talking, I just had a quick scoot over the artwork of Resident Evil 1 just to…

Graeme (40:45.455)
No. No, I don’t.

Rhiannon Eliza (41:00.61)
to immerse myself for a hot second. it’s like, I would actually, think, forgive me if I’m wrong, but like that is giving like pure nostalgia at this point. Like how far we have come, because I can look at the ones that like the most recent stuff again, just having a quick nosey and you’re like, wowee. Like the growth, but also as somebody who knows nothing about it, even from just the visuals to see like, like a continuation and a very much a…

Cal Macdonald (41:09.78)
Yes it is. Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (41:28.642)
by the book, you know, it feels like it’s very much honoring its roots in that way. Would you guys agree that it’s like, do you think it stayed core to the things that you enjoyed about the first one or didn’t enjoy about the first one? Has it improved on that?

Cal Macdonald (41:40.739)
Oh, it’s definitely improved as it went on. I remember the next Rist was the one on the Wii and the, was that seven or six or something? Or four, I think it was Rist, it was four that was on the Wii. And I loved that one. I played that one all the way to the end, but it wasn’t scary. It was just, it turned out to more of an action game then. And they’ve kind of done this Rist, the fantasy, oh, it’s too action. We want the puzzles. Oh, it’s too difficult. Too many puzzles. Where’s the action gone? So they’re always.

Rhiannon Eliza (41:50.894)
think it was four movies and I loved that one. I played that one all the way to the end, but it wasn’t scary. It turned out to be of an action movie. And then kind of done with the scene, it was two action, we the puzzles, too difficult, too many puzzles, so they all swing in back and forth, kind of like a series.

Graeme (41:51.131)
four.

Graeme (42:08.175)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (42:10.114)
swinging back and forth Capcom with this series.

Rhiannon Eliza (42:17.227)
This is a side note, but did any of you guys play Vampire Knight on the PS2 back in the day? Right, so this was one where it was the first time it had guns that you plugged into the PS2. Okay. And this was mind blowing for me, who was definitely one, not supposed to be playing this, two, it’s like I was absolutely way too young to be playing this and I was definitely playing it without my parental guidance knowing.

Cal Macdonald (42:22.379)
No.

Rhiannon Eliza (42:46.84)
But I remembered just seeing these things and it was like what you’d get at the arcade. You had these guns. It was in the time when the i-toys started coming out, so just before Wii and things like that. But yeah, wow. That was fun. God bless. It’s giving nostalgia heavy. I’m definitely gonna have to give these a go, I’m gonna… these going on the list.

Cal Macdonald (43:07.426)
But yeah, but specifically Resident Evil, I’ll say get the GameCube version. That GameCube remaster was from, because they expanded and some of the boss fights are pretty amazing. Because you do fight a shark in this one at some point. Yes, yes you do. And you’ve, there’s a giant spider, dogs, the bloody dogs, I hate them. You just hear the barking and they just run at you and you’ve got no chance to react.

Rhiannon Eliza (43:12.685)
Okay.

Graeme (43:21.359)
Yes, you do. Mm-hmm. And giant… The first time…

Rhiannon Eliza (43:21.742)
On land? I see.

Rhiannon Eliza (43:32.846)
Let’s hear the box.

Graeme (43:37.638)
That first corridor where they jumped through the window. that was Nightmare Nelm Street Level of Terror.

Cal Macdonald (43:41.024)
Yeah, that is a proper good jumpscare. And it’s just classic, like haunted, just creepy mansion, but they do it with those angles. And like you’ll be walking around and you just hear the, and then you’re just like, whoa, you don’t know where it’s coming from.

Rhiannon Eliza (43:50.702)
You

Rhiannon Eliza (43:56.711)
Not like Luigi’s mansion with a giant poo then, no. I’m like, no? No?

Cal Macdonald (43:59.723)
No.

Graeme (44:00.098)
No.

Rhiannon Eliza (44:07.158)
Hey, a classic! That’s, you know what, there you go. That’s my, that’s my scary game that I’m gonna put in there because it’s the only one I’ve played. Good times, good times.

Cal Macdonald (44:08.492)
Yes, it is.

Graeme (44:12.081)
You

Cal Macdonald (44:13.762)
You

Graeme (44:17.329)
I’m hearing good reviews about Silent Hill F as well.

Cal Macdonald (44:17.57)
Well, if you want like the…

Rhiannon Eliza (44:21.546)
So I’ve been watching a cosplayer, and forgive me because I don’t know the name off the top of my head, but he was making one of the outfits from that and it’s really impressive. Gosh, that looks, I must admit, it’s interesting because I think as soon as we started talking about the fact we were doing a Halloween episode, I’ve definitely been getting recommended more horror related stuff because I was like, what is this? This looks cool. Yeah, so I’m definitely in the rabbit hole now, guys.

Cal Macdonald (44:39.97)
Yeah. See ya.

Graeme (44:42.299)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (44:50.998)
Right, think that’s our games covered. There’s not much I can say about Resident Evil because I think everyone knows it apart from yourself. Yes, we’ve, it’s so good. We got the one person on the planet, the one geek who doesn’t know Resident Evil in our podcast for tonight. Yeah, yeah. No, but it’s different. I think it’s, if you’re going to play games, it’s like Mario and that, you have to play a Resident Evil at some point. But,

Rhiannon Eliza (44:54.68)
Cool.

Apart from me! But now I feel like I do!

Graeme (44:59.771)
apart from me. And you’ll notice.

Rhiannon Eliza (45:05.038)
But you know what? What a find. What a find, guys.

Graeme (45:05.649)
You

Rhiannon Eliza (45:19.49)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (45:20.726)
Beware, the first one is tough and depending which version you get, like the original PlayStation version, like it’s like when I went back to play Lara Cloughed, the original game, it’s basically unplayable now. It is so, it has aged so poorly a lot of these games, but the remasters of Resident Evil, definitely check them out.

Rhiannon Eliza (45:32.11)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (45:39.608)
Well this time next year you can ask me how it was. There you go!

Cal Macdonald (45:42.442)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (45:46.401)
And then you can go and watch those cinematic masterpieces. That’s the Resident Evil series. Yes. If you can see Olga Kurlyenko’s stunning acting in those. Head in the hands.

Rhiannon Eliza (45:50.964)
Indeed. Stunning. Fantastic.

Rhiannon Eliza (46:01.772)
See, someone who doesn’t know has even heard about that, so there you go.

Graeme (46:03.311)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (46:05.986)
So our last bit of media, where are we going? It’s TVHOS. Was it TVHOS?

Graeme (46:06.171)
Ha

Rhiannon Eliza (46:15.34)
I had a book and TV.

Cal Macdonald (46:17.856)
Right. And you had a podcast. I think we’ll go with you, Graham, because the podcast is quite unique.

Graeme (46:23.409)
It was just to mix it up a wee bit and have something different. there was a series, I think it was 2015, 2016 at the peak of serial and the likes when podcasting was all the rage. Who would do that now?

Cal Macdonald (46:40.278)
Yes, not a Rodeo podcast.

Graeme (46:42.807)
I know it was called the black tapes and it was that kind of

Cal Macdonald (46:46.978)
of this.

Graeme (46:52.401)
Blurring the lines between reality and fiction type podcast, there’s the two main characters at the start. The main journalist, name is Alex. She’s interviewing people with interest in jobs. She is effectively our Mulder for the purposes of this. And she meets a man, Richard Strand, I think his name is, who’s our Scully. He is a skeptic, but plot twist, he might actually be psychic. He’s also a little bit like

James Randi, if you know, in real life where he’s got a collection of VHS tapes of the unexplained, which he’s offering rewards for if anyone can prove the existence of the unexplained. So there’s always the kind of story of the week for a while, but there’s the overarching story as well about it pulls in a secret society, they are the Order of Cenophis.

Cal Macdonald (47:24.49)
Okay. Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (47:41.966)
There’s always the kind of story that we profile, but there’s the overarching story as well about the pearls and the secret society, we have the order of Cenephus, which is a breaking way of the monks after one side is sold to Satan to create the Codex Gaius, and things like, was it, Scythian geometry, which is like double maths.

Graeme (47:52.114)
which is a breakaway order of monks after one soul desoul to Satan to create the Codex Gaius. It brings in things like, what was it? Sacred geometry, which is like devil maths. There’s sound components, there’s real world conspiracies. It brings in real composers, guy called Scriabin.

Cal Macdonald (48:05.312)
yep, I heard that.

Graeme (48:19.561)
links a lot of his stuff so he did a lot of things back in today. Pieces called things like Black Mass or The Devil’s Song, that sort of thing. And it also pulls in bits from Rink, except there’s a sound and if you hear it you will be dead within a year. But within there they play that during the podcast so that kind of messes with people’s minds a wee bit.

there’s an antidote piece of music it’s all very very silly but it does that thing where it just creates just enough of an air of creepiness and amongst some dialogue that can be quite bad so things like

she’ll describe for example there’s a piece of music a piece of music yes a piece of music which amuses me but in amongst all that the first two seasons did a really good job of creepiness then the third season was going okay they set up what was looking like a really interesting big bad called the helvetian

and then it just stopped. What was the mid-season finale ended up being the end of the show. So you’ve got these two really good seasons of audio drama.

telling what’s looking like a compelling story. And then effectively the last episode, the two main characters have a Hannibal and Clarice book moment where they decide they’re going to go off to hotel and have a little relationship. And that’s where it ends. You’re like, where’s the story? But before that, the rest of it was fun. Yeah. There’s lots of bits in the parts about the music about, do you know about the Devil’s Interval?

Rhiannon Eliza (49:51.598)
telling what’s looking like a compelling story. And then effectively in the last episode, the two main characters have a Hannibal and Catey’s book moment where they decide they’re gonna go after the tale. And have a little loj and that’s where it ends. like, here’s the story. Alright. What an odd choice. The rest of it was fun. Yeah. There’s lots of bits in the parts of it and music about… Do you know about the Devil’s Interval?

Cal Macdonald (50:09.634)
All right.

Cal Macdonald (50:22.761)
Nope.

Graeme (50:23.825)
So it’s in music theory, there’s an intervals, Devil’s Intervals, and I’ve meant it fourth as a technical name for it, it’s a tritone. You will have heard it because you have heard Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. You have heard the very start of The Simpsons. Maria from West Side Story, Failures of the Nurse Who Loved Me, Deftones, Rx Queen.

Rhiannon Eliza (50:25.166)
So in music theory there’s a mental focus, a mental focus, a technique, You will have heard it. You have heard Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. You have heard the very start of The Simpsons. Maria from West Side Story, various emotional workings, victims are extreme, Audrey’s dance from 20…

Cal Macdonald (50:39.722)
Alright, yep.

Graeme (50:50.797)
Audrey’s dance from Twin Peaks, all these things all use this interval. And it’s like the two, it’s the farthest apart that notes can be. And it sounds really…

Graeme (51:03.473)
I’ve forgotten the word. It’s like unharmonic.

And that gets used in it as well. For a while it was appointment listening for me and then it just stopped and ruined it with its ending.

Rhiannon Eliza (51:21.262)
Well at least you know we have an honest explanation of start to finish. I know what I’m in for it’s not gonna hurt me. It can’t get me Graham because I know it’s coming.

Cal Macdonald (51:22.092)
Right?

Cal Macdonald (51:27.778)
Yeah.

Graeme (51:28.369)
No, it can’t get you.

Cal Macdonald (51:32.962)
Cause I’m going to say, so if you listen to quite a lot of these audio podcasts, these audio drama podcasts, Graham, are you quite into them?

Graeme (51:41.361)
I was for a while, when I was on Permanent Nights, the job I was doing meant that had a lot, it was a solo practitioner job which meant I had a lot of time to listen to things and to watch things.

Cal Macdonald (51:52.94)
Yeah. So have you listened to a Scottish podcast?

Graeme (51:58.692)
is like the name of it.

Cal Macdonald (52:00.375)
Yeah, that’s the actual name. Sorry. I’m not just saying, have you listened to any Scottish? There’s one called a Scottish podcast and it’s basically, it’s quite meta because it’s a washed up radio DJ and to make money, he decides to set up a paranormal podcast. That’s the actual story. And it’s him going, and he’s a drunk, he’s an alcoholic and that plays into it. It’s a very dark, morbid humor as well.

Graeme (52:02.03)
I have not.

Rhiannon Eliza (52:05.12)
And it’s basically, it’s quite meta because it’s a washed up radio DJ and to make money he decides to set up a paranormal podcast. That’s the actual story. he’s a drunk, he’s an alcoholic and that’s where he’s at.

Graeme (52:16.591)
Okay.

Cal Macdonald (52:25.728)
It is great because that’s one thing I love about podcasts is like audio dramas have come back in a good way and I love a good audio drama.

Rhiannon Eliza (52:32.505)
It’s true. like back in the day. What was that? yay. That tells how it goes.

Graeme (52:34.021)
Yeah, I’ve just subscribed to.

Cal Macdonald (52:38.871)
Yeah

Yeah, because, I’ll put my hand up right now. I would love to make an audio drama and I’ve kind of, some of the Oakland guests have mentioned this to me. So, Ian, this. Something might happen yet. If any of yous are interested in trying to do this project, I don’t know what story it’ll take, but an audio drama set in the Hebrides, there’s gotta be some kind of weird stuff we could come up with there.

Rhiannon Eliza (52:55.713)
I know what story this is take, but I know that I’m going have to end it. There’s got to be some kind of weird stuff that’s going come up again.

Graeme (53:01.403)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (53:09.866)
Yes. Yes.

Cal Macdonald (53:17.218)
So, what’s it, book or tea? It was book for you, wasn’t it, Rhiannon?

Rhiannon Eliza (53:22.89)
It was, but we, be honest, we don’t have to spend too long of it if we’d like to get onto the TV. I was simply going to say that Pet Sematary is probably my favourite of the spooky books or the scary books, depending on how you look at it. I would say Stephen King. Yeah. Yeah. I would recommend this book on the basis that it isn’t

Cal Macdonald (53:33.59)
Okay.

Graeme (53:37.338)
sleeps

Cal Macdonald (53:38.434)
That’s Stephen King,

Rhiannon Eliza (53:51.65)
very, it’s not like difficult to read. I think it’s quite, it’s quite readable, it’s quite straightforward. The story is linear, which I think in itself lulls you into a sort of false sense of security. It’s definitely not a jump scare by any means. I don’t think it’s a jump scare. I didn’t think it was a jump scare. And it handles some, you know.

Cal Macdonald (54:08.908)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (54:16.078)
pretty difficult themes, a lot of relating to grief and a lot of the ideas behind the book and the story for those who know is what’s dead should stay dead. That’s the kind of the general gist. The one thing that really set this apart from other novels that I’ve read, even ones by Stephen King, was the fact that I read the book and I went, okay, I finished that book. That wasn’t that scary.

And then about maybe 10 seconds went past and then I went, and it was, took me about that long to realize what I just read. And actually the thing that was concerning about the story wasn’t any of the things that you thought it was until about 10 seconds after you read the last page. And then you go, no. And it’s absolutely hanging and it’s awful. And then yeah.

Graeme (54:50.612)
Ha

Cal Macdonald (55:06.37)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (55:11.854)
So that, don’t even wanna go into it because I’m like, genuinely, if you haven’t read Pet Sematary, you’ve never even glimpsed, I don’t think the films really captured it in the same way for me personally, but if you haven’t read the book, read the book because it is not very long, it’s very straightforward to read, and afterwards you will be left with a sinking sense of dread that you will resent me for. So I say, read it.

Cal Macdonald (55:22.892)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (55:36.642)
I’ve got to ask, are you a Stephen King fan by any chance?

Rhiannon Eliza (55:41.846)
I would say a bit. I wouldn’t say hardcore, I wouldn’t say absolutely wild, but I’ve read a couple of his books and I’ve really enjoyed it.

Cal Macdonald (55:45.996)
because the next question, have you actually read all of it?

Rhiannon Eliza (55:51.211)
No, but I have made a good crack through the stand, okay? I’m most of the way through the stand, which I… So my problem was is that after I started reading Stephen King, I was like, okay, I’m gonna start picking books without reading the blurb, because I realized a lot of the time I turned myself off stories by reading the blurb and going, not for me, which isn’t always true. And actually Pet Sematary was one of those. So I was like, that’s great, because I didn’t read it, I just went for it.

Graeme (55:51.558)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (55:54.646)
Wow. Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (56:20.492)
And so I decided to read The Stand, but unfortunately I started reading it basically sort of during COVID, which for all of us that were working during that time, I didn’t need to necessarily, at the time to come home and then read a book that was essentially about a virus breaking out and destroying the world. Wasn’t really the vibe I was in. I didn’t need that right then. So…

Cal Macdonald (56:29.153)
Alright.

Graeme (56:38.395)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (56:48.886)
I made but I did a really big portion of it, must be said. So whilst I haven’t made my way all the way through it, I’m nearly there with the stand and that was a good old chunk.

Cal Macdonald (57:01.164)
Yes. No, it’s just cute. I wanted to meet someone who’s actually read it because it’s like That is a marathon. That’s a mega achievement

Graeme (57:02.001)
That was a bit…

Rhiannon Eliza (57:05.944)
No.

There you go.

Graeme (57:10.509)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (57:12.258)
It’s a bit off the rails isn’t it at times.

Graeme (57:16.529)
Just a bit. And it’s, there’s parts of it that are just, they’re so hard to read, just in terms of the subject matter amongst nothing else. But I was determined, I was finishing it and I did.

Cal Macdonald (57:20.866)
I

Cal Macdonald (57:27.88)
Yeah, I’ve heard of several scenes in that which we can’t even mention, although it’s getting risks of the… But I’ve heard that it’s basically the book’s that big and they say that’s probably the weight of the book is probably the amount of cocaine he took to get that book done, wasn’t it?

Rhiannon Eliza (57:28.27)
Yeah, that’s not.

Graeme (57:32.779)
No.

Graeme (57:45.937)
I’ve been, I think, am I right in saying that Pet Sematary is the book that Stephen King himself chose as his scariest?

Rhiannon Eliza (57:46.56)
Some might say.

Rhiannon Eliza (57:55.635)
I think it, I think you’re right. Yeah, I think that he did say that was the one that he was like, yeah, nah. And I’m like, fair enough. Because again, it is that so you read it and you go, this isn’t scary. This is fine. I was expecting way worse. Ha ha. Like that’s kind of what happens. So yeah, yeah, me and Stephen have that in common. There you go.

Graeme (58:02.053)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (58:03.414)
Well,

Graeme (58:08.817)
Mm-hmm.

Ha!

Cal Macdonald (58:14.742)
Yeah, so.

Graeme (58:18.309)
You

Cal Macdonald (58:18.434)
This is one of my favorite scary films is based on a Stephen King book. And it’s one of the few where Stephen King said the film is better in the book. They really improved. And it’s one of the most, the most, have you seen this now Rhiannon? Watch that and then get back to me when you see that, Graham, you’ve seen it. When you see that ending, I wanna know how you’re feeling.

Rhiannon Eliza (58:34.336)
No.

Graeme (58:40.069)
I’ve seen the best. Yes.

Cal Macdonald (58:48.588)
I think we should watch, we should, yeah, maybe on Halloween night. don’t, you just that, and I don’t know of anyone who didn’t have such an extreme reaction to an ending of a film. I can’t tell you where it goes, but it’s kind of weird, the most, cause it’s Frank Darabont and it’s the anti-Shawshank redemption. Shawshank redemption is about hope and the best in people. Whereas the most is just people are just awful.

Graeme (58:53.905)
Do I watch along?

Rhiannon Eliza (59:00.723)
god.

Graeme (59:00.838)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (59:11.918)
Well

Cal Macdonald (59:16.288)
And there’s like literally a line in the film where a guy says, human beings are fundamentally insane. He says, any tale was in a room where we come up with reasons to kill each other. Why do you think we invented religion and politics? That’s an actual line in the, and it’s, yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (59:30.702)
It’s only like the Matrix saying it’s a virus or whatever isn’t it? It’s like

Cal Macdonald (59:35.882)
Yeah, but the ending of the mist is just something else everyone I’ve watched it with for the first time had very strong reactions to that ending.

Rhiannon Eliza (59:39.681)
Okay.

Rhiannon Eliza (59:43.918)
then I promise you, Cal, if we don’t end up all watching it in the same room and you see it live, I’ll get my partner to video me watching the ending of that. And you can have it. You can use it for I live for. For Ocast.

Graeme (59:44.944)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (59:51.541)
yeah. He said, if he’s going, yes, I’ll be so fascinated to see how you react to that. Everyone reacts to that ending extremely badly, basically.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:00:03.799)
god. As long as I don’t pass out, that’s my only request.

Cal Macdonald (01:00:06.952)
No, no, it’s something else that ending. It’s whenever I watch some people just sit there utterly horrified in silence at that ending.

Graeme (01:00:09.828)
yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:00:20.008)
It’s like… Yeah.

Graeme (01:00:23.441)
It’s been fun.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:00:24.214)
I’m ready to watch the video. Everything is going be on the list.

Cal Macdonald (01:00:28.812)
I think it’s.

Cal Macdonald (01:00:32.928)
Yes. Yep. So you can get ready in time and plan. Do we want, cause I think everyone’s going to want to see this reaction video. You’re watching the miss now.

Cal Macdonald (01:00:47.104)
Yeah. So the last bit of media is my TV show. What can I say? The Twilight Zone.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:00:47.694)
you

Rhiannon Eliza (01:00:52.908)
yeah!

Cal Macdonald (01:00:56.738)
Is there anything else you can say? Just those two words. think maybe what might be better is what’s your favorite one? I’ll go Rhiannon. Favorite Twilight Zone episode. Classic Twilight Zone we’re talking here.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:01:08.846)
I don’t know. I feel like that’s going to be a bit of a difficult one. I’ve not watched it for a while. I’m trying to think like individually. don’t know if I can pick right. I feel like, I thought that was Graham when I was looking at you then. I thought that was like, yeah, yeah, it’s difficult. I mean, I

Cal Macdonald (01:01:15.069)
there-

Cal Macdonald (01:01:21.357)
Alright.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:01:27.822)
I’m trying to just have a quick scooch so I can see you guys, you guys go and then I will, I’m gonna follow in and say, cause I’m not as good as episode by episode of this. This is why I do the Buffy stuff. I was like, I know everything about Buffy. I spent all my time watching Buffy. So I’m not as, I’m not as.

Graeme (01:01:33.413)
of

Cal Macdonald (01:01:35.36)
Yeah. This.

Graeme (01:01:38.673)
I’ve got a light dance.

Cal Macdonald (01:01:42.964)
Yep.

Graeme (01:01:44.465)
I’ve got a light doing strange things here so I’m just going to try and stop it. I don’t know what’s…

Cal Macdonald (01:01:48.799)
Okay, that’s no problem. I thought you were referencing something there. I think you were doing a reference there, but no. Jesus, there’s too many. too many. Like nearly every, it’s like, and it’s just something we don’t get as anthology series. We don’t get enough. The Black Mirror, yeah, but we don’t get anything like this. This was just writing and themes like for the 1950s, he.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:01:52.271)
Oh thought you were doing it to be spooky. didn’t… Yeah I thought… thought… I thought literally. No you take away Carl, go for it. You just didn’t love with the whole thing.

Graeme (01:01:54.683)
No.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:02:08.771)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:17.698)
push the barrier so much, Rod Serley, with all the analogies in this. The monsters are due on Maple Street. is, depressingly relevant today. Is, Grim, are you muted or are you just invisible now?

Rhiannon Eliza (01:02:28.142)
again, it’s actually relevant to do. Yeah, true.

Graeme (01:02:34.437)
I’m just invisible while this light’s doing its best to have a seizure.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:37.012)
All right. Do you know this one? The monster should do on Maple Street.

Graeme (01:02:44.251)
Is that the one with the… is it like a power failure or something? Oddly, he says while his light’s doing strange things.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:48.882)
Yes, and it’s very heavy allegories for segregation and racism in it. And as he said, and how they turn on each other and these aliens all shoot them. Yeah. And then what’s the other one? Timing off at last? Absolute stone. Everyone knows that.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:02:49.952)
Yeah

Graeme (01:02:56.27)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:03:00.158)
It’s just like mass hysteria, kind of that, absolutely when you know.

Graeme (01:03:04.102)
Yeah.

Graeme (01:03:12.433)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:13.58)
That’s the one with the guy who loves to read books and at the end when his glasses smash. Remember this nuclear war? Is this ringing any bells? Yeah. Yeah. That’s one that’s just kind of transcended the Twilight Zone almost.

Graeme (01:03:19.683)
Yep, very much so.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:03:20.514)
Yes, yeah, no, is, yeah, so.

That’s… That’s…

Graeme (01:03:26.149)
Yeah, because he doesn’t have time to read and now he does. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:30.113)
Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:03:30.39)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:32.492)
He has, he’s all the, like he does it, has all the time and then his glasses smash and then he can’t read anything. So it’s another one a lot people have an extreme reaction to at the end, but it’s again, just brilliant. And Burgess Meredith who went on to play Mickey in the Rocky films, some star there.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:03:39.054)
FICKLE!

Graeme (01:03:49.105)
Mm-hmm.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:03:50.104)
There you go.

Graeme (01:03:51.555)
and Penguin and Batman 66.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:55.787)
Yes, that’s right. Graham, favourite memorable Twilight Zone episode? We’ll just go for memorable ones. We don’t have to have episode names.

Graeme (01:03:58.876)
What’s the one?

Graeme (01:04:03.951)
memorable. What’s the one with the… what you call it? It’s the little boy with powers and it’s the town… you can’t find the town or something.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:18.742)
All right. Now am I right? The Simpsons did this one as well. They did a version of it. Yeah.

Graeme (01:04:20.113)
I

Graeme (01:04:23.889)
Yeah, yeah, so we’ll just set it in Springfield.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:29.79)
Hahaha

Graeme (01:04:33.093)
But yeah, that one springs to mind.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:33.686)
And then,

Rhiannon Eliza (01:04:41.218)
Wasn’t the one that, what was the one where the, went back in time when they were going to assassinate, changing the assassination of Kennedy, wasn’t it?

Cal Macdonald (01:04:41.43)
Yeah, but

Graeme (01:04:55.665)
So that’s 22 11 63, the Stephen King adaptation.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:56.127)
Thinkers.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:01.206)
Yeah, I don’t think that’s a Twilight Zone, because Twilight Zone was in the 50s.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:05:07.918)
Was it? Am I thinking of the wrong thing? I think that’s why I’m getting confused. Yeah, I’m like, because I’m trying to, I was following it up and I’m like, I think I’ve got these two very confused. Which is fine.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:11.23)
You might be… that more of the modern version so they’ve tried to re-

Cal Macdonald (01:05:23.17)
But yeah, there’s no, like, what can you say about Twilight? It’s not being said, it’s just, yeah. Yeah. yeah.

Graeme (01:05:25.969)
the masks. The masks was terrifying. That was the one where the guy’s dying, so he makes people wear the masks in order to get their inheritance. yeah, that was just…

Cal Macdonald (01:05:45.549)
And then there’s another one I remember where the guy dies and he thinks he’s going to heaven. And it’s that line at the end, what makes you think, why would God make heaven like this? He’s got everything he ever wants in life, but then he’s getting like, he’s getting sick of everything. And then he realizes he’s actually in hell. Like that’s just the twists for everything. Just always like some, you know, very ironic, very…

Rhiannon Eliza (01:05:58.959)
He’s sick of everything and then he realizes he’s actually in hell. And that’s just the twists for everything. There’s always some very ironic, very just dark humor. think what Sally did, especially between women’s issues and issues of racism, in the 50s, American TV, did it so cleverly.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:13.452)
just dark humor and just what Rod Serley did, especially pushing women’s issues and issues of racism. In the fifties, American TV, he did it so cleverly and put it in. And he was actually warned about when they read some of the scripts and he changed them up but kept the themes in there and the TV execs were none the wiser.

Graeme (01:06:20.006)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:38.444)
But yeah, it’s just an utter genius Rod Serley when he came up with it. And do know that he did want to do the voiceover, but they refused him at first. They said his voice would turn people off.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:54.439)
I just, when you listen to it, can’t help but hear that very distinct delivery he has.

And there’s another one I remember, I shot an arrow up into the sky and it’s these astronauts that land on a planet, but they’ve actually landed on a, it’s like, but you see, that’s planets are they, and that’s what I’ve found watching this, like, that’s this film, this film. Like they’re nearly all borrowed from the Twilight Zone in some capacity.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:07:13.518)
That’s what I find, watching it, like, oh, that’s this one, this one. Like, they’re nearly all bordered from the Twilight Zone, it’s fantastic. think the description of the the episode, the… the… the by-dais, I mean, that’s… I don’t know if anyone has seen it, but that’s basically the premise of the good place.

Graeme (01:07:20.987)
think the description you were doing of the episode where the guy dies, mean that’s spoilers if anyone hasn’t seen it, but that’s basically the premise of The Good Place.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:33.442)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:07:35.921)
Do you think they’re in heaven but night shall fight, no they’re not.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:07:44.409)
There you go. I mean, are we in the good place? Question. No, I’m so sorry for getting that confused then. I’ve realised that I think I’ve got those two things completely messed up in my head, which is my bad. Again, what? God, I’m… This is a shopping basket for me today. I just get to fill and…

Cal Macdonald (01:07:45.769)
You

Cal Macdonald (01:07:49.282)
definitely not, definitely not.

Graeme (01:07:53.649)
We’re in the best place.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:08:12.546)
fill it up with all excellent recommendations which I can’t wait to take.

Cal Macdonald (01:08:14.114)
Have you got any Twilight Zone memories then apart from the one that wasn’t a Twilight Zone memory?

Rhiannon Eliza (01:08:20.28)
But this is the thing, I feel like I’ve like either now, don’t get me wrong, I feel like I have watched these at a time in my life when these have bled into possibly the same memory, which is like slightly, please tell me other people do this because like some, like I think that that’s what’s happened because I’m just having a quick look and I was like, yeah, I think I’ve got a couple of these conflicted, which is okay.

Graeme (01:08:47.041)
I think I’ve done a little bit of Googling right now. I think we owe you an apology because Profile in Silver is the first segment of the 20th episode of the first season of the 1985 revival of the Twilight Zone television series.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:08:59.933)
Okay, all right, so I’m not totally bonkers Okay, there we go see there is an answer as to I was literally sat there going why if I am That’s okay, that’s all right

Cal Macdonald (01:09:00.716)
Alright.

Graeme (01:09:03.355)
Time Traveller interferes in the assassination of JFK and must find a way to repair the resulting damage to the timeline.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:05.25)
Just slightly.

Graeme (01:09:18.26)
We were just 30 years too early, Cal.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:20.991)
Alright.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:09:22.894)
That’s fine. I feel at least I feel safe now. Thank you, Grave. But no, I would have to say that that just means again, yet more fun for me. I’m going to have to sit and go through the 1950s because obviously there’s more out there.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:39.026)
And of course, Graham, you’re a Star Trek man. You know the one we’ve got to mention.

Graeme (01:09:45.207)
Yep.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:46.466)
Yeah, nightmare at 20,000 feet. Nodor.

Graeme (01:09:49.103)
Mm-hmm, better shot now.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:52.107)
Yeah, well, I was going to say you can’t beat a bit of Shatner as an actor on screen. Again, real life, maybe not so much these days.

Graeme (01:09:57.307)
You

Graeme (01:10:03.142)
Well.

Yeah, but no, it is just so iconic, just his response when he looks out the window. It’s every bit of shatner that you ever wanted that doesn’t involve him singing.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:10:20.696)
Does he do that? No.

Graeme (01:10:24.377)
No.

Cal Macdonald (01:10:24.78)
Does he?

Rhiannon Eliza (01:10:24.872)
If he doesn’t dramatically fall afterwards, I’m not buying it.

Graeme (01:10:29.884)
It’d be a bit difficult.

He’s on a plane.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:10:34.572)
No. He’ll find a way. Shatner always finds a way.

Graeme (01:10:36.241)
There’s not enough space to fill. No, that’s life you’re thinking of.

Cal Macdonald (01:10:45.696)
And then there’s one that’s like really like he’s alive. Do you remember this one, Graham?

Graeme (01:10:53.391)
Not from the title alone, but…

Cal Macdonald (01:10:53.954)
Interesting, because it’s one of Dennis Hopper’s first ever rules, this.

Graeme (01:10:58.693)
Okay.

Cal Macdonald (01:10:59.958)
and he plays a neo-Nazi who’s haunted by dreams that Adolf Hitler’s still alive. And it really gets into deconstructing and attacking fascism, which imagine like the day that saying fascism is bad will become a controversial statement.

But that’s the reality we’re in these days apparently.

Graeme (01:11:22.066)
You

Graeme (01:11:26.289)
I’m doing my best not to get us kicked off the air by… Yes. Well, we shouldn’t be because, know…

Cal Macdonald (01:11:29.332)
Yes, well, it would.

Cal Macdonald (01:11:36.483)
But yeah, it’s just, I don’t know, there’s just too many superlatives every single episode. And the one advantage it has, you can just dip in and out of this whenever you want. But it’s interesting when you watch it, you’ll just see, that’s that film. That’s that film. I’ve seen this story before. So influential and broke so many barriers for its time. Like when Rod say he was under so many constraints, but he broke down and put some incredible, when.

you look at 1950s TV, was basically, you gotta be nice and safe and pleasant for everyone.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:12:07.406)
It’s basically, you gotta be nice and safe and pleasant when I work. You could have worked pleasant work, there’s another form that I you for the video. But when we were talking about podcasts and radio things, how did we not mention War of the Worlds? How did that not come up? Because that has just occurred to me. I was like…

Cal Macdonald (01:12:13.76)
which speak, speaking of which pleasant will. There’s another film recommendation I can throw in.

Cal Macdonald (01:12:29.601)
yeah, well.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:12:35.092)
When obviously that was first released and that fella, there was at least I think several, but there was an instance where think a man in Germany may have, I don’t know what we can say on air, but I think he killed himself and his entire family because he thought it was real. And he thought that aliens were literally descending to earth, which you know, talk about something that is

Cal Macdonald (01:12:51.586)
Okay.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:13:02.222)
like shakes the very foundation of everyone that was hearing it on a radio show thinking that it was news at the time when it was happening like that I can’t even imagine you know you know what I mean like that that’s a kind of that’s the kind of impact that these things can have on people like they can be so incredibly shocking

Cal Macdonald (01:13:06.786)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:13:12.375)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:13:16.674)
Well, if you want a good example of that, Kareem, you’ll remember this ghost watch.

Graeme (01:13:23.611)
Ghost Watch. Pipes in the glory hole.

Cal Macdonald (01:13:25.984)
very infamously pipes yeah and i’ve re-watched it and it works still works quite well to this day obviously but at the time people were convinced that was real and if you ever wanted to know what michael parkson would sound like possessed by a demon this is the show for you reanan there you i’ve served you on that yeah yeah

Rhiannon Eliza (01:13:30.894)
There you go. I would love that. I would love that. If you feel it’s gonna say you just know me so well, like absolutely.

Graeme (01:13:31.577)
It still does.

Graeme (01:13:37.371)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:13:43.057)
You

Cal Macdonald (01:13:50.017)
Yes, it’s just at the very end he becomes possessed by a demon and his voice changes into a demon voice. So another Pius Aida Parkinson we didn’t see enough of in this. But again that was I remember watching I think because it was Sarah Sarah Green and was in it.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:13:59.919)
And it’s time.

Graeme (01:14:05.809)
Sarah Green. Was it Mike Smith?

Cal Macdonald (01:14:10.754)
Yes, he’s vanished from all existence apparently. He was everywhere in the early 90s, wasn’t he? And he just disappeared. then, what’s his name? What’s his name? Craig Charlton as well.

Graeme (01:14:14.576)
Yeah.

Yeah, how many?

Graeme (01:14:23.281)
Yes, of course he is.

Cal Macdonald (01:14:25.154)
He plays a presenter and a Dave Lister himself. And I just remember watching, did I just watch Sarah Green get killed live on TV? And then I was just afterwards, because I was just cute, said, no. And then I think it was later on in the week, I had to explain, because people did panic. They thought it was presented as a real. So Rhianna, the premise of Ghostwatch was a haunted house somewhere in England. And as a lie.

Graeme (01:14:27.376)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:14:34.363)
Yeah!

Rhiannon Eliza (01:14:49.662)
Okay. I see. god. yeah. goodness.

Cal Macdonald (01:14:52.552)
live broadcast they were going to do a seance to prove whether this ghost was real or not. But a lot of people fell for this and thought it was real what was happening. And there was this murderer called Pipes wasn’t it because as a ghost he was banging on the heating pipes in the house.

Graeme (01:15:09.713)
It sounded like the kind water hammer sound a lot of the times. It was like that. So again, circling right back to Nightmare Nelm Street, they’re using the mundane to make it scary.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:15:19.534)
It’s just like that kind of stuff that then plays on people, isn’t it? It’s like the things you’re always gonna hear but then it stands out to you that little bit more with a bit more emphasis. But no, I tell you what, that kind of roughly brings me onto my TV episodes, which I was gonna pick, blink, from Doctor Who. This was a throw up between Supernatural, the Scarecrow episode in season one.

Graeme (01:15:24.187)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:15:28.738)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:15:38.897)
yes, yes.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:15:46.253)
because man, that dude is scary looking. dude, as it was a, and you know what, as a standalone episode, Sublime, really enjoyed it. But I will be going with Blink because I still can’t really watch that with both eyes open. And the reason it ties to the mundane is because I distinctly remember watching that episode and then my, and the statue, so,

Cal Macdonald (01:15:49.858)
haha

Cal Macdonald (01:15:56.194)
Yeah. Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:16:14.286)
My aunts used to live on Lothian Road in Edinburgh and one of the statues that is at the end of that episode is on Lothian Road and it was like across the street and we were all like, I know, like it was awful. But yeah, I have to say still can’t, at the grand age of 28, still can’t really watch that with both eyes open. It has scarred me for life. Excellent, excellent TV. They could be anywhere.

Graeme (01:16:22.788)
You

Cal Macdonald (01:16:39.83)
Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:16:42.764)
and they could appear like right now, the second you close your eyes. Terrifying. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:16:48.29)
And was it, was this Roger Christian who told us about an episode of Doctor Who? I know it’s just something he threw at the actors. It was meant to be this flesh-eating bug. can’t remember. It on one of the shows someone, I think it was Roger Christian when I mentioned that. Cause he’s on about like using simple things to effect. It rings a bell that. Someone told us about that. I can’t remember who. But it was, that’s what Doctor Who did so well. Just make you scared of simple things.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:17:03.31)
You maybe I can’t remember. I can’t remember. I don’t know if I don’t I don’t know. I’m I don’t know if it was Roger. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Dalek’s learning how to fly. What was that? Why? Come on now. But like, I think with the empty child. Are you my mummy? Like sticking his hand through the letterbox.

Graeme (01:17:14.457)
Yep. Yep.

Graeme (01:17:21.883)
The empty child.

Cal Macdonald (01:17:26.23)
Are you my mummy?

Graeme (01:17:27.281)
Mummy, are you my mummy?

Rhiannon Eliza (01:17:30.706)
my god. Yeah, there was, I must admit, there was a real sweet spot. What was it? It was on one of the of the Doctor Who, the after shows where they show you how they made everything with the Doctor Who, like a little extra bits. And who was it was saying that they thought that Steven Moffat basically went home and like planned all of the ways that you could scare children. Like that’s what he did three times. And like they said, one of the cast said that or somebody said that was really funny. And I was like, there was a point.

Cal Macdonald (01:17:40.684)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:17:52.059)
You

Rhiannon Eliza (01:17:58.657)
in the sort of 2000s, maybe even early 2010s, when Steven Moffat and like the Mark Gatiss kind of combo was really good. like, but when, like, when I think when Steven Moffat is allowed to be released a little bit more and write the things that he does have some moments of absolute sensational TV and Blink was one of them. I think I’m pretty sure he wrote Blink. Yeah, but it was.

Cal Macdonald (01:18:19.743)
Yeah.

Graeme (01:18:24.625)
Thank you, Dad.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:18:28.43)
12 out of 10 on the fear factor and also the fact that it could appear at any time.

Graeme (01:18:35.025)
Just to cycle a wee bit with Mark Gattas being mentioned, what’s your thoughts on insight number nine? Because obviously he did League of Gentlemen with Shear Smith and Pembelton.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:18:38.99)
What’s your first episode in Inside Number 9? you watch League of Gentlemen? Inside Number 9? Sardines?

Graeme (01:18:59.867)
sardines yeah

Yep.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:19:09.014)
no, this can really go somewhere. And I feel like I don’t know why, like I don’t know why I dropped off it. This will be an ongoing theme, folks, by the way. You’ll notice that sometimes I get distracted and then, and then go watch something else. Guilty as judged. Unless it’s very, very captivating or it’s like something that I love until I watch it incessantly. yeah, I remember the sardines episode and thinking, yeah, that kind of messed with me a little bit.

Graeme (01:19:16.643)
you

Cal Macdonald (01:19:19.319)
Yeah.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:19:36.953)
But no, like, I like his, I think sometimes they get it really right. And then sometimes they get way too involved with themselves. I mean, I have to say Sherlock loved, followed through, Like, and then going to, and that was a shame because I started like, and then ended like that. So, you know.

Graeme (01:19:49.009)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:20:00.442)
I Andrew Scott’s Moriarty was sort of the peak of the show for me. But like I say, just…

Rhiannon Eliza (01:20:05.75)
Sublime. Absolutely sublime. It was, I’m not sure what the Hound of the Baskervilles was trying to achieve. I was getting really confused after that. There was still some good episodes in season two, but yeah, it was like third season. What is going on there? That is, that’s not even a hot mess anymore. That’s just a mess. But yeah, no, there are times during their combo where it’s really paid off and

Cal Macdonald (01:20:27.499)
Yeah

Rhiannon Eliza (01:20:34.516)
League of Gentlemen, some episodes of that which are just the most horrifying things. have a different kind of horror guys, but it’s like when he accidentally puts the wrong dog down. I don’t… that… literally… I actually don’t think I ever recovered. And that’s the easy stuff. I mean that’s the real… that’s like must be first season stuff. It gets way, way weirder than that. Way weirder than that. But like…

Graeme (01:20:41.957)
very much so.

Graeme (01:20:52.049)
Mm-hmm.

Graeme (01:21:03.333)
That sits alongside, you’ll know the episode I’m meeting in Peepshow.

with the dog. Yeah, that sits alongside that. But we’re digressing a lot.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:21:09.934)
Oh, oh, yeah, oh. Yeah, I was going to say maybe this is a different kind of scary though. It’s that kind of social scary, the horror of just like, which, you know, I think can only be achieved by some certain writers at their peak moments. And they really, they really sold that home. It was deeply uncomfortable for us all. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:21:19.318)
Yep. That was good. I think.

Graeme (01:21:25.347)
Yeah.

Graeme (01:21:28.782)
huh.

Graeme (01:21:39.558)
Yes.

Cal Macdonald (01:21:40.502)
Okay, shall we wrap this up? We’ve run well over. We were aiming for an hour. We’re now one hour 20. Yes.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:21:44.366)
Just having a lovely time. It’s just a local show for local people. A local show for local We don’t have no trouble here.

Graeme (01:21:50.961)
I’m Kushoff.

Cal Macdonald (01:21:51.523)
For local people, yes.

Graeme (01:21:55.045)
There’s your tag light. We’ll have no trouble here.

Cal Macdonald (01:21:56.148)
Thanks.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:21:59.567)
But yeah, have we all covered our bases? Amazing. Well, thank you so much. I just want to say, go on.

Cal Macdonald (01:22:00.931)
Yeah, I think we’ve covered it and then some I think. Yeah.

Graeme (01:22:07.739)
I mean, if you want.

If you want, I will happily talk about Twin Peaks for about the next three days.

Cal Macdonald (01:22:16.03)
Okay, alright.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:22:16.322)
I see, I see. Absolutely, but an excellent choice, an excellent choice Graham, fantastic. But I think that I will say thank you so much for all of these wonderful recommendations. I hope that I am not, there are other audience members who are the me out there who are just soaking all of these recommendations up.

Cal Macdonald (01:22:22.882)
Yes. Great.

Cal Macdonald (01:22:38.914)
And also, also in the comments, everyone, please comment that you want us to watch, see this reaction video of Rhiannon watching the mist. think, I think it’ll be interesting to see what the demand is when this goes out just before Halloween.

Graeme (01:22:45.51)
Yes.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:22:45.854)
yeah, I feel like this is coming now. I think this is happening.

Just be like, yeah, that’s it. I’ll commit. I’ll commit to it. We’ll watch the mist at some point, some point in the next month. October, spooky season. go on.

Cal Macdonald (01:22:57.389)
yes, yes.

Graeme (01:23:00.525)
Could that be a feature of the live show for Ocon?

Cal Macdonald (01:23:07.873)
Hi, sir.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:23:08.174)
Could I get it done by next week? no, because we won’t have posted this by then. Yeah, it’s too early. That’s a shame. That is a shame. That was a good thought though. Next year you’ll have to pick something scary and I’ll do an annual live reaction to something I haven’t seen. There you go.

Graeme (01:23:11.247)
on those.

Cal Macdonald (01:23:14.656)
yep, it is.

Graeme (01:23:16.655)
Next year. Next year.

Cal Macdonald (01:23:24.01)
Yes, we’ll recommend something awful, something that’s going to shock you. Right, thanks. And on that note, as we hope you don’t sleep peacefully, because this is Halloween and the time for nightmares. So I hope you’ve all enjoyed. I hope you got some good recommendations and like, follow, subscribe, give us a review, helps us out in the algorithms and all that. And we’ll all see you very soon on the next show, which is…

Rhiannon Eliza (01:23:27.703)
Yeah, that sounds great. Thanks guys. I will sleep peacefully.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:23:38.968)
Wahahahaha!

Rhiannon Eliza (01:23:52.246)
Or shall we say?

Cal Macdonald (01:23:54.016)
And the next show we’re recording is Buffy part two. So the Hebscoobs are back. Yeah.

Graeme (01:23:54.597)
Yes.

Graeme (01:23:58.053)
Office Season 2.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:23:58.203)
Woo! Yeah, so this is the bit where this time I’m not sat there going, I haven’t seen it. I haven’t seen it. This I’m like, I have seen it all. Give more, give more.

Cal Macdonald (01:24:04.332)
Yeah.

Graeme (01:24:04.784)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (01:24:09.814)
Yeah. All right.

Graeme (01:24:10.097)
I’ve seen it and I remember every single thing.

Rhiannon Eliza (01:24:13.582)
Bye bye!

Cal Macdonald (01:24:13.792)
Yep, alright so bye everyone! Bye!

Graeme (01:24:16.113)
See you later, bye.