Engaging the Empire: An Essential Interview with the Klingon Pop Warrior

Welcome, Space Frayers, and prepare to engage! This is a very special Trekfold episode of OH!CAST as your Captain, Cal MacDonald, and the crew are joined by an artist whose work truly defies dimensional barriers: the one and only Klingon Pop Warrior, Jen Usellis!

But that’s not all! Tonight, the crew is also honored to be joined by a special guest: Rob of the Scots Klingons podcast. His encyclopedic Trek knowledge will definitely add some serious tactical insight to our conversation.

Tonight, our scanners are picking up some serious musical energy. We’re beaming aboard the starship of one of the galaxy’s most unique and compelling performers.

If you’ve ever wondered what it sounds like when the fierce, warrior heart of the Klingon Empire is filtered through infectious, upbeat pop melodies, you are in the right place. This Klingon Pop Warrior interview is an essential listen for every Star Trek fan, music lover, and anyone curious about the intersection of niche fandom and professional artistry.

Jen Usellis has not just created a niche; she has pioneered an entire subgenre of music and culture, proving that honor and a catchy chorus are not mutually exclusive.

 

 

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The Birth of Klingon Pop Music: A Conversation with the Klingon Pop Warrior

Jen Usellis sits down with the crew (including Rob, who provides some expert fan context) to give us the full origin story of the Klingon Pop phenomenon. It all started with a simple, audacious question: What if Klingons, in between battles for honor and glory, just wanted to belt out a catchy tune? This wasn’t a casual thought; it was the genesis of a dedicated art form.

Jen, the Klingon Pop Warrior, delves into her rigorous process of writing and composing songs that manage to feel authentically Klingon. They are full of the requisite operatic grandeur, guttural battle cries, and cultural references, while still hitting the hooks and beats of modern pop music.

The challenge, she explains, is finding the perfect balance between the dramatic gravitas of Klingon culture and the universal appeal of a three-minute pop track. It requires deep knowledge of the Star Trek lore, a composer’s ear, and the ability to sing in the constructed language of Klingon.

She shares the creative challenges and triumphs of pioneering a genre that is, quite literally, out of this world. Learn how she brings the true Sounds of Stovokor to life, ensuring that even a song about a targ (the Klingon pig-like creature) is a certified floor-filler.

This is more than comedy; it’s a dedicated musical subculture that demands respect and features genuinely high-quality production. Jen Usellis, the Klingon Pop Warrior, is its undisputed reigning star, constantly evolving the sound and narrative of her music.

She discusses how her character has grown over the years, moving from an initial concept to a fully realized, multi-album recording artist. Her work is a testament to the power of creative synthesis, taking two seemingly disparate worlds—warrior ethics and synth-pop—and fusing them into something compellingly new.

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Inside the Fandom and the Con Circuit with the Klingon Pop Warrior

The conversation also explores the deeply passionate community that supports this unique art form. The Klingon Pop Warrior gives us a look behind the scenes of the Star Trek convention circuit.

She describes the palpable joy of performing for fellow fans and the incredible camaraderie within the fandom. If you love deep dives into the community, you’ll also enjoy our Kennedy Allen Interview which explores the shared culture of Star Trek fandom .These performances are not just concerts; they are high-energy cultural events where the audience is as dedicated to the immersion as the performer.

Jen discusses the rewarding, albeit challenging, journey of creating original content within a beloved, established franchise. It requires navigating intellectual property concerns while still delivering genuine, heartfelt material that resonates with a deeply invested audience.

The dynamic between the performer and the fan base is unique, built on mutual respect for the source material and a shared sense of humor.

Jen Usellis shares anecdotes from the road, highlighting moments where the music transcended the niche, reaching people who were simply looking for a fun, catchy tune. They accidentally found themselves learning a bit of Klingon in the process.

She talks about the evolution of her warrior persona, the costumes, the stage presence, and the inspiration she draws from the community—a community that continuously provides her with new lyrical ideas and encouragement.

Plus, stick around to hear the crew’s first-ever, truly authentic, and enthusiastic use of the Klingon greeting, “Gnæch!” These moments of shared connection are, she notes, the true heart of being the Klingon Pop Warrior.

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Supporting Independent Artists and The Warrior’s Call

In this Klingon Pop Warrior interview, we also cover the logistics of being a successful independent artist in the modern music landscape. Jen shares a candid look at where listeners can find her music and the most effective ways to support independent artists in the digital age.

Her music is widely available on all major streaming platforms like Spotify, Amazon Music, and iTunes, allowing for easy access. However, she specifically encourages fans to support her work via Bandcamp, which provides the best revenue margins for indie musicians.

This direct support funds future albums, music videos, and convention appearances. This is the lifeblood that allows the Klingon Pop Warrior to continue her mission.

Jen Usellis stresses that every purchase, every share, and every stream directly fuels the creation of new music. She is active across social media platforms: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook & Twitch. You can also find her on her official website

Following and engaging with her on these platforms is another vital way to support the cause and stay updated on her latest battles for musical honor.

Tune in now for a blast of intergalactic, genre-bending music and a conversation that’s equal parts hilarious, insightful, and honor-bound. It’s a fascinating deep-dive into how passion, professionalism, and a profound love for a fictional universe can converge into a successful and truly unique artistic career. Qapla’!

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Full Transcript Outline (Quick Jumps)

00:00 Introduction to the Klingon Pop Warrior

02:56 The Musical Journey of Jen Usellis

05:34 Learning Klingon and Cultural Integration

08:44 The Art of Song Translation

11:46 Creative Process Behind Translations

14:51 Favorite Translations and Cultural Context

17:37 Engagement with the Klingon Community

20:34 Charity Work and Community Involvement

23:23 Consulting for Star Trek Prodigy

27:18 Navigating Opportunities in the Entertainment Industry

29:18 The Journey to Star Trek Prodigy

31:19 Understanding Klingon Language and Culture

33:20 Community and Collaboration in Fan Groups

36:07 The Evolution of Performance and Identity

39:04 The Intersection of Music and Klingon Culture

43:05 Personal Growth Through Unique Experiences

46:55 Challenges in the Filk Community

51:13 The Future of Filk and Genre Blending

56:26 Favorite Star Trek Captains

58:25 Comfort Episodes in Star Trek

59:39 Emotional Episodes That Resonate

01:04:21 Favorite Klingons and Their Impact

01:07:06 Memorable Klingon Episodes

01:09:00 Finding Jen’s Future Appearances

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Full Transcript

Cal Macdonald (00:02.173)
Good evening. Welcome, Space Frayers, and prepare to engage. This is your captain, Cal MacDowell, here, transmission from the Bridge of Old Scots Klingon podcast, I think. It’s a collaboration, not the greatest name. So tonight, a very special, another Trekfold episode, and we’re going to be, and our scanners are picking up some serious musical energy from none other than the Klingon pop warrior herself. Welcome, Jen.

Manny (00:16.882)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (00:28.183)
Gnæch!

Cal Macdonald (00:30.397)
The joining me on the crew tonight is returning Karen, what’s happening?

MacFuz (00:35.712)
not much, just keep myself busy.

Cal Macdonald (00:39.274)
And Resident Vulcan, Martin, what’s going on?

Manny (00:42.589)
I have decided to join you for this human and Klingon interaction in case there’s a rammy.

Cal Macdonald (00:52.625)
Well, my good Vulcan friend, I would give you a hug, but you know, as they say, not in front of the Klingons. So, and join in us.

Manny (00:57.516)
Not in front of the Klingons, Captain!

MacFuz (00:59.162)
Hahaha!

Cal Macdonald (01:03.389)
And also join us from the Scots Klingon podcast making this collaboration. Rob, how’s it going?

Rob (01:10.324)
Nooknee also, very good evening and welcome and it’s great to be here once again. Now when we did a podcast calum together, of course we had some cling on, but we also had some Gaelic, so I think we need some Gaelic here as well.

Cal Macdonald (01:24.763)
Yes. yes. I’ll say it again. Hala ma a new son of Asich. And that is, today’s a good day to die in Gaelic. I could see I’ve hit an otwagene. So with that, we shall. Obvious question. Where did this Klingon pop warrior, where did the spark come from? And like, have you always been like musically inclined?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:34.569)
Hehehehe. Hehehehe.

MacFuz (01:37.449)
Hahaha

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:49.661)
musically inclined abs yes my parents said that I was singing before I was talking and this is this is my very fierce little my very fierce little kitty here who likes to she has a little bed over in the corner of my desk so she’ll

MacFuz (02:00.477)
Mmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (02:07.649)
She’ll settle down eventually. Sorry. So yeah, I started, I was singing before I could talk. I did choirs through pretty much grade school, high school, college, took classical voice lessons in high school, pretty much all four years and did vocal competitions. I got bitten by the acting bug though, so I sort of put music on the shelf for a while, figuring like, you know,

Manny (02:19.883)
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Manny (02:34.022)
Okay. Okay.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (02:37.583)
unless something severely catastrophic happened to my voice, I’d always be able to sing. Come on, Charlie. And so I focused on acting, but I ended up singing in bands part-time to kind of help make ends meet. I did like a lot of covers bands where I could make some cash singing and yeah, and was doing theater and working a day job and I’m still working a day job.

But I got cast in a Klingon Christmas Carol when it debuted in Chicago. So that was where I started to learn the Klingon language. And honestly, that was probably really the genesis of my hardcore Trek fandom too, was in 2010. I’d watched a little bit of Star Trek before that, but that was really what kind of sent me down the rabbit hole.

Manny (03:30.57)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (03:32.845)
I did that for a couple years and then I got brought in to sing for, a song that was just supposed to be a little background thing for the improvised Star Trek podcast. And they needed somebody who could sing and they needed somebody who could sing in Klingon. And it was Sixpence, None the Richers, Kiss Me.

and the schmaltzy 90s pop song, but it was very funny episode. And so I agreed to do it. We joked about it. We’re like, somebody, we should make a music video. Ha ha ha. So we did. That went up on YouTube in 2013 and we figured like people who listened to the podcast, like the podcast fans would watch it. And that would be about it within.

48 hours 2013 we had over a hundred thousand views and We got picked up by all kinds of blogs Conan O’Brien’s website team cocoa calm grabbed us like it was crazy and You know a hundred thousand views in 36. I think was about 36 hours back into 2013 like that was a big deal and

Cal Macdonald (04:36.989)
Right.

Cal Macdonald (04:48.123)
Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (04:50.669)
You know, it never really got much more than I think we’re still like around 250 right now. It’s really not a big thing, but it became sort of the thing where I was like, we should, we should do more of these. And, as a collective, like we didn’t have time and I sort of put it on the shelf. And then a year later was when I managed to collect like four songs and I was like, I could do an EP.

Manny (04:58.664)
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Manny (05:10.091)
Okay. Okay.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (05:15.769)
and so I got together with musicians that I’d worked with and launched that first Kickstarter. And here we are, honestly, I did the first Kickstarter. thought maybe, maybe I would get like a year. I’d get to like go to a few conventions and it would be like funny. Ha ha. And, and that would be the end of it. I never, never in a million years thought that I would still have a project a decade later.

Manny (05:27.59)
you

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (05:45.517)
Um, it was, uh, what got me the consulting gig, the, the Klingon consulting gig for, um, Star Trek prodigy. Um, I started studying the language myself, so now I actually do all of my own song translations as well. um, in 2017, I passed the level one Klingon language proficiency test. Like it’s been a crazy, crazy ride. And every time I think that I’ve done the coolest thing I could do, like the universe is like, Oh,

Hold my beer, girl. We got you.

Cal Macdonald (06:20.645)
Yep, I’m not going to say the line that it’s been a bit of a long road for you. We’re not going to go there quite yet. Right guys? So, yep. So guys, if you want to join in, if you want to jump in with a question.

Manny (06:22.084)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (06:22.974)
Yeah, yes it has.

MacFuz (06:24.357)
Hahaha

MacFuz (06:30.003)
Such a smooth head.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (06:31.626)
Yeah.

Rob (06:39.42)
How long… How long did it take to learn Klingon?

MacFuz (06:39.657)
Alright, so…

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (06:45.044)
I mean, I will still to this day say I’m a beginner level speaker, like as far as being conversational. But I studied really, really, really, really hard for a year, really hard to really like try to grasp the grammar. And there’s still a lot of things that I have questions about and there’s some grammar points or like words and things. But I think that if you

If you dedicate a year of your time to it, you will be able to hold a basic conversation with almost anybody and have enough grammar to be pretty freaking dangerous. That’s…

Rob (07:26.697)
Okay.

Rob (07:30.638)
and you’re involved with the Klingon Language Institute as well.

Cal Macdonald (07:31.357)
All right, guys. sorry. Carry on.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (07:36.973)
Yep, yeah, I am a member of the Klingon Language Institute. That was kind of a foregone conclusion. I went to my first KEPA in 2015, so about a year after my EP released, and I haven’t missed a KEPA since. It’s my favorite place. It’s like nerd family reunion every year, and they just welcomed me in.

Even with that first EP, when I was working with other translators at that point, like I was working with members of the KLI, they had sent me translations of songs that they had already translated. So it was, that was probably like one of the cool things was like that first EP were all songs people had already translated years before in some cases. And I just kind of collected them and then was like, do you mind if I record these? And they were like, go for it. And

And so then, but when it came time to do the next EP, I had ideas about songs I wanted to do. And at that point then I had established a level of credibility with the Klingon language community that I would do the language justice musically, vocally, and that I cared about doing speaking, singing it properly as well. And so I was able to ask people,

four specific songs. I was like, hey, I would really like to do this song. Would anybody be interested in translating it? And people jumped on it. And then by my 30 P at that point, 2017, 2016 to 2017 was when I started really studying. So starting around 2017 is when I started being comfortable enough to start translating my own songs. And so my 30 P, a lot of the songs on there were translated by me.

Manny (09:00.963)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (09:28.492)
And then fourth and 50 P’s were all translated by me, which was really, really cool.

Cal Macdonald (09:32.811)
wow. And I’m just curious, like, what’s the process of translating some of these songs and is it quite difficult or is there, you know, how much work would… I’ll just take, for example, like, say the Frozen song. Like, yeah, I just don’t know. All right.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (09:48.965)
Which I didn’t do, so I can’t lay claim to that one. That was translated by Felix Malmenbeck. Felix actually is responsible for a lot of the heavy lifting with the Duolingo app, actually. The Duolingo app, like, I actually, it’s so funny listening to the Duolingo app, like, when it’s like, listen to the phrase, like, which is the correct one, because I recognize so many of the voices, because it’s all, like, KLI members.

Cal Macdonald (10:00.753)
Yeah, alright. Okay.

MacFuz (10:10.034)
Mm-hmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (10:16.132)
But that song was translated by Felix. So I can’t speak to what his process is there. But with mine, it’s really interesting because it really it’s so song dependent. Like, I really like doing pop songs like I’ve had people ask if I would want if I would translate or do originals or whatever. And I’m always like, no, probably not. And a I really like doing covers because they’re recognizable. So it’s very it’s it.

Cal Macdonald (10:18.695)
All right. Okay.

Manny (10:34.464)
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MacFuz (10:42.441)
Mmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (10:45.02)
makes it more accessible to people beyond being Star Trek fans. Like I can walk into any convention, it doesn’t matter. And they’re gonna recognize Don’t Stop Believing. They’re gonna recognize, you know, people are gonna recognize No Scrubs. They’re gonna recognize, like these songs are gonna be, and so I really like doing that. And also I really love translating songs because once you get the chorus,

you’ve got like half the song translated already. So there’s like a little bit of a like, it’s the barrier to entry is a little bit easier with them as well, because typically the grammar is kind of simple, the concepts are kind of simple when it comes to pop music, like that’s sort of the, you know, that’s just pop music. And so for me, it’s

MacFuz (11:14.11)
Mm-hmm.

Manny (11:32.031)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (11:38.165)
It’s really interesting because I have the songs that I wanted to translate, like really want, I was like, this would be such a good song and Klingon for whatever reason, like Die Young by Kesha, you know, like whatever, kind of makes sense. But then when I started doing stuff for my charity, my annual charity event that I’ve been doing for the last 11, this is year 11, and letting people pick the songs for me to translate.

Manny (12:01.439)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (12:04.618)
That’s when stuff started to get really, really interesting because it’s like, how do you take Cyndi Lauper’s time after time and make that song applicable to Klingons? Because I don’t like necessarily doing word for word translations. I want it to, I want it to make cultural sense to Klingons.

Cal Macdonald (12:07.271)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (12:14.105)
Alright.

MacFuz (12:25.321)
No.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (12:30.088)
So I that song was one of the one of the few songs where I actually didn’t translate the chorus right away, because I had to figure out what the song was about before I could figure out what the chorus was, because there was not a grammatically good way to say time after time. So the that song literally translates the the phrase instead is the hot tick which

Cal Macdonald (12:44.252)
Okay.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (12:58.154)
Which means, means my heart travels back in time. And so that whole song is about losing your love on the battlefield. You’re on a battlefield. You’re fighting, like you were probably like back to back fighting off enemies. And then the cavalry rides in and you’ve got help and you end up separated. And so, you know, maybe you’re both injured and one of you ends up on one transport and somebody else ends up on another ship and.

Cal Macdonald (13:08.006)
Alright.

Manny (13:26.363)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (13:27.5)
you don’t know where you are. And like, it’s all about like, are we ever gonna find ourselves, you know, like, are we gonna find that person again? But my heart thinks about this person, you know, this warrior that I loved. Yeah, my child each. And, but yeah, thinking about my part of my guy. And where where are they in the in the galaxy in that moment? So yeah, that’s that’s the stuff I think about.

MacFuz (13:40.841)
That’s how teach.

Cal Macdonald (13:41.177)
Alright.

Cal Macdonald (13:54.939)
Yeah, so, sorry. So like, say like, we’re not gonna take… All right, we’re not going to garlic music today. But we’ll just say like, so like, we’re not gonna take it’s almost like perfect for Klingonus in it. That kind of rebellious fighting kind of spirit in it, yeah.

Manny (13:56.93)
That sounds like a typical garlic song.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (14:01.356)
Yeah.

Manny (14:02.37)
you

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (14:03.892)
Hahaha

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (14:12.586)
Right. And that song really is about reflecting on a past love. so like, it really just comes down to like, what is there’s reflecting on a past love as a human? Well, what is it like to reflect on a past love as a Klingon? And so that’s, that’s sort of where I like to run with run with those songs. It’s the same thing with like, Seven Nation Army, when I was translating that one, the White Stripes song. You know, that song,

MacFuz (14:38.633)
That sounds good.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (14:43.528)
actually learning what kind of learning what where that song came from and like what Jack White was thinking about as he was doing it was what helped me kind of figure out how I wanted the tack I wanted to take with that song because it turned like when I found out first of all seven nation army was was something he misheard as a child it was he would he misheard salvation army and

Manny (15:08.217)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (15:12.136)
because he heard he misheard Salvation Army, which in the US is like, I don’t know if they’re international, but in the US, yeah, they’re, you know, it’s a charitable organization. And so he misheard that a seven nation army. And so for me, I was like, well, what would be the equivalent to a seven nation army for Klingons was like, molars 500 warriors, like, you know, like, this is the story of Kalis and Lucara.

Cal Macdonald (15:18.444)
yeah, we have them as well.

Manny (15:38.104)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (15:39.318)
Like that’s what this song is that it’s about Molar and people speaking out of turn and tearing, trying to tear down their people. And they’re going to like go out and fight off Molar’s 500 warriors and like scream on the mountains. Like, of course, that just makes perfect sense.

MacFuz (15:57.193)
You

MacFuz (16:00.681)
Must be a lot of fun just like, translating as you said, these, you know, songs into like, not just Klingon, but Klingon culture as well. So to like follow up, what’d be like your most favorite sort of song that you’ve done that with? Use your creative process.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (16:16.498)
Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (16:20.105)
I think it would honestly, I think it is time after time. That is one of my favorite translations. And also no scrubs. I really enjoyed translating no scrubs and trying to figure out like what the Klingon equivalent of a scrub would be. Also the Klingon equivalent of hanging out the passenger side of his best friend’s ride. Like, what is that to a Klingon? Like thinking about like those things is what makes me laugh.

So many, like a number of folks in the Klingon language community, they aren’t always familiar with the original songs that I’m doing, which I kind of love also. And so it reminds me of one of my really good friends is a big Weird Al fan. now, and like, I have a deep love of pop music. So I tend to stay up on pop music.

Manny (16:52.058)
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Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (17:10.285)
but she’s at this point where she does not care. And so she knows like all the weird Al versions, but she’s like almost never heard the originals. And I’m like, I kind of love this for you. So I don’t remember what I was saying there, but yeah, that’s no, I should not rap. I should not rap.

MacFuz (17:22.739)
So, how have you done Gangster’s Paradise then? Just to be related to it?

Manny (17:24.957)
no. .

Cal Macdonald (17:29.201)
Ha ha ha!

Cal Macdonald (17:32.943)
Alright.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (17:33.581)
I did do one, I did a Lizzo song because it got voted on for charity one year. So I did Lizzo’s Good as Hell, which was a lot of fun. But overall, I’m like, I should not rap. I should not rap and I will never do another Disney song. I will never, I will never do another. Messing with the mouse is a whole thing. just, yeah.

Manny (17:46.164)
I think the rap would suit. They cling on.

Cal Macdonald (17:50.237)
Alright.

MacFuz (17:50.327)
Ha ha!

Cal Macdonald (17:54.781)
Yeah.

MacFuz (17:57.715)
Yeah, I get the feeling that Gangster’s Paradise in Klingon would just have the brackets, Stovakor!

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (18:03.062)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (18:04.145)
What’s up?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (18:06.519)
Pretty much.

MacFuz (18:07.419)
You

Cal Macdonald (18:07.805)
Martin, you’ve been a bit quiet there, it’ll bring you in.

Manny (18:16.084)
You know, from one, I think this would be a divisive question. I think half the fandom would say yes, and it would be something that would draw them in. It might be easier for them to get to grips with it and join in or learn a track or two. I think it would be suitable. But I do love the fact that once you’ve been on your language journey, you’ve decided that it’s not appropriate to do a direct translation very often. It’s just like watching.

MacFuz (18:44.476)
Mm-hmm.

Manny (18:45.605)
a subtitled movie, you’re like, that’s not what they say. That’s not what they said, surely. Yeah.

MacFuz (18:50.537)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (18:51.167)
Right, yes, you know the language. But then you also are like, I get why they did it that way. You know, like they, you know, I was listening to, I was listening to an interview. shoot. And now I can’t remember the man’s name, but he is an actor from Mexico who’s really prolific for his voiceover work for dubbing, for dubs, for like Netflix and stuff like that. And

Manny (19:13.582)
yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (19:17.545)
he talked about the fact that like, you know, they would bring him these, these voiceover scripts. And he’s like, these jokes don’t work. He was the voice. I think he was the voice in Shrek of the donkey in Shrek in the Mexico, the, the, the Mexican version of Shrek in the Spanish Spanish language version of Shrek. And he, he actually was like, can we like rework this so that this joke makes sense?

Manny (19:28.224)
Amen. you

MacFuz (19:32.201)
yeah, yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (19:47.0)
for audiences in Mexico, because this won’t make sense for audiences here the way that it does with Eddie Murphy. And so I love that because that happens in all kinds of things. Yeah.

Manny (20:00.049)
That’s brilliant. Well, my question I really wanted to ask you was, you you said back in 2010 or something when you started, you got the, you were introduced to doing a Klingon song.

Cal Macdonald (20:04.143)
It’s-

Manny (20:18.039)
and that introduced you to the whole Klingon Star Trek thing but were you in any way sci-fi geeky before that even if it wasn’t Star Trek or Klingons?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (20:18.931)
it was a Klingon Christmas Carol.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (20:32.157)
I so I was a nerd, but not in like I was more of like at that point when I started doing that when I did that show. Like I’d watched a little bit of Star Trek in high school because Deep Space Nine came out when I was in high school. I was a big music I was a theater and band geek. But like my friends and I played Magic the Gathering. I played Magic the Gathering when it first like the year it came out.

Manny (20:52.236)
Okay.

Manny (20:57.519)
Okay.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (20:58.989)
I actually recently just went through, because I haven’t purchased a Magic the Gathering card since 1996. So a friend and I actually just went through my shoe box of cards and like, I’ve got some good stuff in there, which was pretty great. And he discovered a, discovered a, what is it, a Wheel of Fortune. I discovered like one card that’s like a good like 300, $350 card. I was like, woohoo!

MacFuz (21:26.695)
Wow.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (21:27.341)
I don’t know if I’m going to sell them or not. Maybe I’ll just let them continue to age and let my, you know, do it when I’m going to die. I know. Right. but, but yeah, so like,

MacFuz (21:32.563)
Hmm.

Cal Macdonald (21:34.048)
Oh, that’s your Ferengi side kicking in there.

Manny (21:38.286)
Anything for a cold, dressed bar of Latin, I don’t know.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (21:43.149)
Right. But like, so like, I did that in board gaming. And like, I was a big Monty Python fan, like me and my friends watching frickin, you know, Holy Grail every weekend, like every summer, you know, you know, stuff like that. And

MacFuz (21:43.356)
Mmmhmm.

Cal Macdonald (21:44.317)
You

MacFuz (21:55.625)
God, such a good film.

Manny (21:58.572)
I’m gonna give you that, I’m gonna give you that instead of… off. A fist bump.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (22:05.165)
And then, yeah, and now for something completely different. Ooh, well, Dach is now. What’s the word for different? Is there a word for different? Differently, be different, Pim. Now, something is, is that Ho-

MacFuz (22:06.073)
yeah, first pump, yeah, yeah.

Cal Macdonald (22:06.726)
Yeah

MacFuz (22:13.449)
What’s that in Klingon?

Cal Macdonald (22:14.118)
You

Manny (22:16.076)
Ha

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (22:37.069)
Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (22:40.813)
Hmm… Hmm…

that.

Manny (22:47.741)
What about enemy instead of different enemy?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (22:49.996)
Yeah.

MacFuz (22:52.579)
Enemy!

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (22:54.732)
I mean, doc, you’ve got Pym is the word for to be different. But there’s also the adverb for differently. I’d have to noodle on that one. Honestly, I have to noodle on that one. The

Rob (23:10.546)
You cover quite a few conventions around the place. Do you travel outside America as well for that?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (23:18.193)
I would love to, frankly. I’ve got my passport. I just need the invitation.

Manny (23:25.773)
and an excuse to get out of USA.

MacFuz (23:26.842)
That’s where you come in.

Cal Macdonald (23:28.73)
Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (23:30.599)
Yeah, indeed. the, yeah, I did get to go to I have friends in Canada. And so I’ve done a few conventions in Canada, around Ontario at this point, which has been awesome. I even went up there for one of my friend Peter, I sang for his wedding, which was amazing. They have like a cosplay wedding, and it was so much fun.

MacFuz (23:41.193)
Mm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (23:57.911)
So yeah, I like to travel. I’m excited. Actually, this year is for the first time since 2018, a Klingon Christmas Carol is getting produced again. They finally sorted through all of the legal stuff to get it in the hands of the Klingon Language Institute. So now the Klingon Language Institute holds all the publishing rights and everything, and it can be produced again. So my friend Chris, who is one of the co-creators of the show,

is producing it in Seattle, Washington, in December this year. And I’m hoping I’m going to get to travel to perform. I think I’m going to be performing before or after one of the performances. So stay tuned for that. I will be performing at a convention in the Chicago area called WindyCon, which is hosted by the Illinois Science Fiction Association. And

that’s in November, I’ll be doing a performance for that. They have a really good like filk track, like a good music track there. And then I will also be doing running karaoke, which I love to do like doing like running a karaoke night. So I’ve got that I’ll have my charity event that I do a big annual 24 hour live stream every year for Children’s Miracle Network hospitals here in the US. This will be my 11th year.

So the whole thing live streamed on Twitch 24 hours straight. It’s a blast. And we raise all kinds of, we raise lots of money for kids and the important things. So I love being able to give back to the community and my community. This is my day job. so I like, and it’s,

Cal Macdonald (25:35.997)
Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (25:52.002)
doesn’t hurt that it’s helped keep me in the good graces of CBS Paramount as well. But they gave me a job instead of suing me. yeah, like the fact that I pretty much after all my costs are covered to like keep the music up online and like, you know, keep my keep my wigs in good shape and stuff like that I donate the rest of the money to charity. So

MacFuz (25:57.222)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (25:58.514)
Yeah.

Manny (26:05.228)
.

MacFuz (26:15.837)
That’s pretty cool.

Cal Macdonald (26:16.317)
I was going to ask that the whole being the consultant for Paramount and on Prodigy, how did that come about?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (26:24.237)
Yeah, that’s, it’s kind of a crazy story. So, let’s see if I can, the short version or maybe not so short. I went on the Star Trek cruise a few years in a row, 2018 to 2020. And after the last cruise, I was sort of at this point where my project was like five, know, five, six years old. And I, and I was really starting to like,

hit a wall with how far I could go with conventions because I have representation. I was afraid to get representation for conventions because I’m like, I’m not in this to make money and agents want to make money. Like they want you to get the highest amount possible so that they can also get their dime. And, but a lot of conventions won’t take you seriously without representation. And so I…

knew some folks who knew the VP of brand management at Star Trek. And so I, they were like, just find his email address and send him an email. So I did when I got back from the 2020 Star Trek cruise, I sent him an email. Now the irony of this was that the 2020 Star Trek cruise, I got back home and went back to work. My first day back to work was March 10 2020. The Star Trek cruise went March 1 through March 8 2020.

by the time we all got back from that cruise, A, we’re freaking lucky that they let the ship into the harbor. B, less than a week later, the whole world was in lockdown because of COVID. And so, I emailed the VP of brand, Star Trek brand management, and he emailed me back within 20 minutes. And I pretty much was like, you probably don’t know who I am, but like, this is what I do, and this is…

Manny (27:54.344)
You

MacFuz (28:01.934)
jeez. Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (28:19.053)
what do I need to do to stay good with you all? Like I just want to sing my silly songs at conventions. Like that’s all I want to do, but I’m having, you know. And he was like, I don’t want you to be worried, but I know who you are. I follow you on social media. And I was like, no. And he’s like, I.

MacFuz (28:38.579)
you

Cal Macdonald (28:41.352)
Hahaha!

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (28:46.263)
He was like, and what was really funny was it was something like, I’m taking my son to the orthodontist right now, but I will write you back in about an hour and a half. And sure enough, he did. And I was like, holy crap. And so he wrote me back and was like, I’ve been trying to come up with a way, you know, he’s like, I’ve been paying attention to you over the years and I would love to figure out a way to use you. I don’t think a licensing deal makes sense for you or for us as a brand. Like that doesn’t make any sense.

but like, let me think about it. There’s also some other stuff going on. Well, what I didn’t know besides COVID happening then eventually was that that was during the Viacom merger for CBS and Paramount. And so once I realized that was happening and then COVID, all of a sudden we go into lockdown, I was like, I’m not gonna hear from him anytime soon. But about a year later,

Cal Macdonald (29:40.189)
Thanks.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (29:42.862)
actually may have even been that fall, but I think it was about a year later, he reached out to me and was like, Hey, I might have something for you. Can I give you a call? And I’m like, Yeah, like, like, I’m gonna say no to that. What? And so that was when you know, I talked to him a little bit. And he’s like, So you’ve heard about Star Trek prodigy? I was like, Yeah, he’s like,

Manny (29:53.894)
.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (30:07.917)
there’s a little bit of Klingon, it’s not a big, it’s not a lot, but we need somebody to do it because it’s a mess, what they’re trying to do over there. Which was basically, they were trying to paramount hole it, which is what we lovingly call what the writer’s room ends up doing when they don’t have a Klingon language expert. It’s a hot mess. And…

So, so they, so I ended up signing a contract, NDA and the whole nine yards, and I could not tell anybody that I was working on it. so it was really funny when I had grammar question, I had a couple things that I had grammar questions on. So I pretty much reached out to friends in the language community with alternative requests, trying to say the same thing, but using it in like a song lyric or something like that and being like,

Manny (30:42.36)
.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (31:00.969)
is this right? Is this grammatically correct? And like, but changing up all of the verbs and like things like that. And they’re like, Yeah, no, that’s right. I was like, great, thanks. And then I go back and like, finish my thing. And yeah, it was it was really crazy. The year the show came out, we were doing an online cap on and they had just done an interview on like, Comic Con at home.

MacFuz (31:12.585)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (31:27.373)
or something like that, where they talked to like Kate Mulgrew and the producers and a couple other people and Ella Purnell was on it as well. And they were like, yeah, they brought her in. And Ella Purnell was like, she was wicked. like, because I was on a Zoom call with her coaching her through her Klingon. And they’re like, yeah, we had this expert. And they said she.

MacFuz (31:40.934)
Okay, nice.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (31:56.814)
Everybody thought it was my friend Robin who did all the the Klingon for Star Trek Discovery because they said she and Robin is like one of the most respected Klingon speakers in the world. And I was like, everyone I kept I was like, it must be Robin. It’s got to be Robin. I’m sure it’s Robin. And I’m just like, I’m gonna mute and turn off my camera and walk away. Yeah, that’s

Cal Macdonald (32:08.956)
You

Cal Macdonald (32:24.188)
Bike drop almost.

MacFuz (32:24.233)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (32:26.113)
the long version.

Manny (32:27.045)
That’s fantastic. Can I ask you for the benefit of the mortal humans?

I’ve got a friend asking what is kapaa?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (32:37.965)
Khapla means success. It’s basically like a salute. Khapla Bacch Je is the full version of that. means success and honor.

Manny (32:39.136)
No, you see the…

Manny (32:43.712)
Yeah.

Manny (32:52.126)
You’re saying you were at some meeting or you go to every year a kaba meeting or kepa? Kepa. Yeah, what’s that?

MacFuz (32:58.607)
keppa.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (32:59.669)
Kepa, yep, Kepa. Kepa, yep. So the annual Klingon Language Institute, Kepa, means great meeting. So it’s the annual great meeting of the Klingon Language Institute.

MacFuz (33:01.267)
Thank

MacFuz (33:07.625)
Hmm. it’s kind of like all thing then. All thing being the exact same thing in the Old Norse.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (33:16.729)
nice. Yeah. Kep is to is the verb for to meet or it’s a noun for meeting and kept odd like is an augmentative that makes it mean like great big but like not big as in size but like grand kind of. Yeah.

Manny (33:32.026)
So is that like a language convention just for Klingon or is it more like a Comic Con or?

MacFuz (33:33.417)
Hmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (33:41.78)
No, it’s just Klingon. It’s a language. It’s more, I would call it more conference. It’s more academic conference than convention. It’s usually a pretty small group of people, like 50 to 60 is a big year for us. That’s a lot of attendees. So it’s pretty small and intimate. And yeah, but it’s a lot of fun. We play games and nerd out and we go to…

Cal Macdonald (34:02.908)
So I’m.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (34:11.383)
Denny’s at midnight and it’s great.

Cal Macdonald (34:15.974)
So was going to ask, because we were talking to Paul Fromer last week about the Navi language and every year he gets his community together and they propose the new words for the language. Is it like that with Klingon? Is there a head, is it still, what’s his name? I’ve forgotten his name, the guy who wrote it. Mark, yeah, does he still take an active part in all this?

Manny (34:26.016)
.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (34:27.437)
yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (34:32.484)
Mark. Yep. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, Mark O’Krend. takes a he’s he’s it. I think there was maybe in the 10 years that I’ve been going to Kebba. I think there’s only been one Kebba he was not at. And it was just because I think he was actually like working on something at the time. And yeah, so he we get new words every year. And usually it

Cal Macdonald (34:38.639)
Yeah, that’s what I

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (35:00.695)
doesn’t just happen at Kepa. There’s usually two word dumps each year. There’s one that happens at Kepa and then there’s sometimes additional words at Kepchome, which happens in Germany, which is like the smaller, like a smaller meeting. And yeah, so, and he’s there every year, grammar points if needed, stuff like clarifying as needed. That all kind of goes into…

the into the thing. He’s he’s awesome. He’s very approachable to so like, I think I have it, I printed up the email that I sent him after I did some work for season two of prodigy and was like, help. Please help. Because the thing that I had to do for season two is absolutely bonkers. And then they didn’t end up using like any of it. But

Cal Macdonald (35:59.362)
I could

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (36:00.046)
I could at least say I retconned the song from Birthright, the Birthright episodes of Next Gen, and now that song means something.

Cal Macdonald (36:14.076)
Okay Rob, think I’ll bring you in. You’ve been quiet for a while.

MacFuz (36:16.762)
Hahaha

Rob (36:17.596)
Do you have much involvement with the Klingon assault group?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (36:22.869)
I am, so the one nice thing about Chicago, I will say this, the one nice thing about Chicago is that pretty much all the fan groups play well together here. So I am, think I’m a member of both the Klingon Assault Group and the Klingon Armada. And I have no real allegiance. You know, I’m.

I just like to hang out with my friends. So yeah, it’s and you know, there’s, there’s always a lot of drama and fan groups and things like that. And my music is for everybody. You know, it’s not for one group or you know, one fan club. I’m not. That’s that’s not what it’s about. So yeah, but but we play well here.

Rob (36:51.595)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

MacFuz (36:51.677)
That’s my swag, buddy.

MacFuz (36:58.249)
Yeah

Yeah.

Rob (37:13.13)
No, absolutely. It’s similar. Yeah, it’s similar in Scotland. We have our own group, of course, Klingon Group, which is affiliated with the Klingon Assault Group. But we do our very best to get together with SFI groups and various other Star Trek fan groups and others as well. So, yeah, as you say, I totally agree with that. It’s not about competition.

Manny (37:16.989)
.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (37:34.188)
Yeah.

Rob (37:42.218)
in that way. You know we’re all fans of the same show at the end of the day so yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (37:43.02)
Right.

Right. Yeah. I,

I don’t know if our Starfleet group is even active here anymore, really. My big thing with Starfleet International is just their requirements around like joining and things like, like they’re a literal, like they’re an actual like registered 501C3. And so they have dues and they’ve got hardcore like costuming requirements and stuff like that. Well, I’m like, I’m a Klingon rock star.

I’m you’re not going to catch me in the regular Klingon battle gear because I mean like yeah, I’m going to rock my armor, but it’s going to be functional and cute like you know.

MacFuz (38:33.705)
Mm-hmm.

I mean, there’s quite a lot of things about like Klingons in general, at least from like next generation era, that seemed a bit impractical in terms of like armaments and the way the swords worked, but it’s all good fun.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (38:46.795)
Right. Right. But yeah, and that’s, and that’s how, you know, it’s like, just, I like to have fun, especially during the, during the pandemic, when like, I just started caring more about comfort and then the fact that you couldn’t really see me more, you know, like, even when I was doing concerts and stuff, like, this is all you could see of me. So I didn’t really have to worry as much about what was on the bottom. And, and so I became a little bit more.

MacFuz (39:08.585)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (39:16.759)
comfortable and I’m like, I’m just I’m gonna wear stuff that’s comfortable. And so now when I perform, I go for comfort and function. And like, and I try to kind of like, strike a balance between looking cute and, but still being like a little badass.

MacFuz (39:25.576)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (39:36.432)
Awesome. I was going to say with the music, would you ever be tempted to attempt a Klingon opera? Hidden.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (39:43.213)
So, so, no, but

MacFuz (39:44.956)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (39:49.084)
I was declarative of that.

MacFuz (39:49.363)
Hahaha!

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (39:52.448)
My, my opera days for the most part are well and far behind me. studied, I did study classical music and classical voice when I was a teenager, early twenties and early twenties. But now I really love pop music and, but I did have the opportunity this year. I went on the, I went on the Star Trek cruise again for the first time since 2020 this year. A friend messaged me from the cruise. Yeah, sorry.

Cal Macdonald (39:56.826)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (40:08.902)
Yeah.

Manny (40:16.937)
Keep rubbing it and keep rubbing it and

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (40:21.357)
you know what this one for me I had it was my friend messaged me from the cruise last year and was like do you want to go on the cruise with my mom and I next year and I was like my tax return is showing up and my divorce will be fine yes yes I do like it was my gift to myself so yeah so I went this past year and I’m so glad I did because I got an email in December so the cruise was at the end of February

Cal Macdonald (40:21.485)
hahahaha

MacFuz (40:37.608)
Hahaha.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (40:51.153)
And I got an email in December from the cruise line, entertainment cruise productions who actually produces the Star Trek cruise. And they were like, Robert Picardo is putting together a show for the Star Trek cruise about Star Trek and the opera. And they’re looking for somebody who can sing opera in Klingon. And we know you’ve sung in Klingon on the ship in the past because I hustled the ship talent show.

every year that I was on it in those previous years. so I was like, sure. mean, like, I don’t sing opera. Like, I was very like, I don’t sing opera, but I’m willing to talk to him as long as he you know, there’s a very clear understanding that I don’t do opera anymore. Because if he wants me to like translate, you know, the magic flute or something like I’m not that’s not me. That’s not gonna happen.

Manny (41:22.599)
Okay.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (41:48.43)
And then it turned out what we ended up doing. He really, really, really wanted opera. That was something he was really adamant about and he really wanted Klingon opera. And there was a production that was done, I think in the Netherlands, like years and years ago, it might’ve been around like 2010, 2012, something like that, called OO. And OO means universe in Klingon. And it was the story of Kailas.

set and it was an opera. Mark O’grind actually did the book for the opera. They had a whole like they wrote the music score. There was a whole thing around it. So there was a little there was a clip of this online and he and so Bob was like, Can you do this? And so he sent me this clip and I’m like, Okay, yes. But like, I

can hold my own as a singer, but I am not that woman. Like that woman is amazing. And so I’m like, if I can drop the key, like if we can do this, where we maybe strip out some of the like strip out the horns and things or whatever that drone is in the background and just do the drumming, then yeah, I think I can do this. And because then I can just pick my note and roll with it. And we should be good. And and so that was

MacFuz (42:52.121)
Thank

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (43:14.731)
That was what we did. I got, so I got to sing with Robert Picardo and I sang a piece of Klingon opera on the cruise in front of two audiences of almost 1200 plus people. It was insane. And I got to sing with his friend also, who’s this wonderful, wonderful gentleman. name’s Arturo, Arturo Chacon Cruz, who is a, he is, if you’re familiar with classical music,

Cal Macdonald (43:27.164)
Oof.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (43:43.81)
the three tenors back in the day was Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti and Jose Carreras. Arturo is part of the modern three tenors. He literally performed as one of the modern three tenors this past summer in Vienna. He is one of the top three operatic tenors in the world right now. And I got to, they also had me translate the last verse of Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

Cal Macdonald (43:46.897)
Yeah.

MacFuz (43:57.768)
Wow.

MacFuz (44:10.665)
Thanks

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (44:10.695)
and I got to sing with him on stage. And it was one of the most magical experiences I have ever had. And that’s where, like I say, like every time I think I’ve done like the coolest thing, like the universe is just like, wait a minute, we got one more for you. Wait a minute. the 15 year old me who was watching the three tenors,

Cal Macdonald (44:11.353)
why?

Cal Macdonald (44:28.277)
Hahaha

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (44:36.601)
you know, and then studying classical music and just loved opera as a kid to have that experience. I felt like I was really like standing on the shoulders of all the choir directors and my voice teachers who really believed in me. and getting to do it with something that is so silly, but something that I still know. I understand how silly what I do is, but I also take it pretty seriously for the comedy of it.

And but to get to do that was really truly a once in a lifetime experience that I will never ever in a million years forget. I just I won’t so.

Cal Macdonald (45:17.628)
Wow. And I was just going to say, Martin, I just had to say to you, jealousy’s not very, sorry, Martin, jealousy’s not very logical that you were showing earlier.

Manny (45:17.855)
When you’re doing these, when you’re doing these cruisies,

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (45:27.489)
Yeah.

MacFuz (45:28.393)
You

Manny (45:31.983)
When you’re doing these cruises Jen, are you just a paying fan on something where you go up on the stage when they say anybody want to come up now or are you like a crew member for the entertainment crew just doing something or?

MacFuz (45:33.289)
Do you ever do, uh, I’m sorry, Martin.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (45:55.662)
I have been trying to get them to give me the time of day. And so a huge reason why when this got put on my plate by the cruise company specifically, because I’ve been trying so hard to like over the years to like get them to pay attention to me. I was like, I will figure out how to do whatever it is that Bob wants me to do. Like I’m gonna freak, I’m gonna figure it out because like,

Cal Macdonald (46:00.764)
Good.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (46:23.373)
And I’m gonna do it, I’m gonna do it well, I’m gonna be professional about it, I am gonna like, you know, I’m gonna show up, will have, and like, I’m gonna know my stuff, and so, because like, I want the opportunity to, like, I would love to do a performance for them, I would love the chance to like, host a karaoke night, do a performance, teach a Klingon language class, like, you know.

Manny (46:43.054)
.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (46:52.249)
But I just haven’t been able to get them to give me the time of day in that regard. like, I was hoping that once I got the prodigy credit that that might kind of like, help a little bit. And I think that now it’s kind of just a matter of wearing them down a little bit more. But if but for me, like if I’m paying to be on the cruise, I’m taking full advantage of every opportunity as a paid member.

that’s going to be presented to me. So if that means hustling the talent show again next year, that’s what I’m going to do. Like I’ll sign up for the ship talent show and I’m going to go do it. And like, what are you going to do? I paid to be here. You’re not paying me to be here. And so like, I’m going to make people want me until you hire me. Yeah.

MacFuz (47:40.457)
Good strategy.

Manny (47:41.416)
Well, I’m prepared to say I’m going to speak to the Vulcan Council and no Vulcans are going on that cruise until you’re a crew member.

Cal Macdonald (47:43.388)
you

MacFuz (47:52.103)
Hahaha!

Cal Macdonald (47:52.91)
Hahaha

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (47:53.049)
It’s, but you know, it’s so funny because that has been this whole project from the day that I did it. Getting my foot in the door at conventions was so hard because, and I think a lot of the folks in those, the, the music communities for some of it, for, for conventions, like I’ve started to talk about it and they are starting to understand that they have put up a barrier to entry for people.

where, and they’re starting to get better about it. But like, I would try to submit to conventions to perform and they’d be like, well, the time it’s already, we’ve already got everything booked. I’m like, what do you mean you’ve already booked everything? They just posted yesterday to submit. And they’re like, well, yeah, but we, we, we have people email us. Well, how was I supposed to know that if you don’t put that on your website? You know? And so I spent a lot of time signing up to do panels.

Manny (48:48.652)
Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (48:50.453)
And so I would get myself in as a panelist doing a panel about Klingon music. And I would basically give a performance. That was my panel was doing a live performance. And then I would leave the door open because the minute people hear me sing, they like show up and it’s, it’s going to be standing room only in that panel room. And then eventually enough people walked past, walked in.

And they’re like, did you hear this woman singing in Klingon down the hall? Like, are you kidding me? And like that was, I spent a lot of time doing that. It’s, it’s leaving the door open. It has been very much and putting myself out there and like forcing myself into spaces where they were, they didn’t want to give me a chance, just to prove them wrong and then, you know, get the job.

Manny (49:29.484)
I’m glad you persisted.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (49:48.91)
It’s hard though, because like a lot of a lot of filk proj. Yeah. But a lot of filk is also originals or parodies. And what I do is so is it especially like, it’s hard to like, put a like, what am I, you know, like when it comes to like, I’m not wizard rock, I’m not like, folk music, I’m not, you know,

Manny (50:17.45)
You are your own unique selling point. You tell them that’s their unique selling point for that convention if they have you there. Do you think that that’s just a general convention organizers don’t know what the shit they’re doing normally? Ours excluded of course.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:17.677)
So it’s like, what am I when it comes to conventions? And I think sometimes they just didn’t really know what to do with me, which is fine. I’ll do it for myself then.

MacFuz (50:28.361)
What else are you supposed to do with a clip-on? Show them off.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:31.617)
Right.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:39.563)
Right.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:46.541)
you

Manny (50:47.85)
Or do you think it was a little bit bad here because you were a woman, even a Klingon woman?

MacFuz (50:48.797)
Beep.

Cal Macdonald (50:50.389)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:50.839)
Beep.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (50:55.597)
I don’t know if it, because there are actually a lot of women involved in the filth community and organizers as well. But I’ve personally noticed, like one thing that I’ve also noticed is it’s a very white space. And so.

I would love to see more filk artists of color, and not just women. And women are, I think it is a pretty good mix of women and men for the most part nowadays, but there is still, I think the community has made itself very insular. And for whatever reason, it’s like a lot of the same people are running these different conventions or performing at them. And then they,

they forget that there are people out, new people out there trying to do things that might be different. That might not be what they think of as filk, you know, or traditional, but like they’re out there doing it. And if you don’t let them in, you’re gonna, you’re gonna stagnate and your music track is gonna die because you’ve got to let in new blood and, you know, and new ideas.

So yeah, I think it’s just, yeah.

Cal Macdonald (52:14.128)
Yeah, it’s like our own, we have our own festival here, our kind of local folk festival. And there are like lots of traditionalists who just like, no, not this, you know, anything with a techno beat that’s got bagpipes. No, can’t have that. No, no, But if you don’t do that, it will stagnate. It’s kind of these things. And we have our own local band here, quite divisive, but they freshened up the folks in like Pete and Diesel. So, you know, you do something, doesn’t necessarily, yeah, I know some…

MacFuz (52:43.369)
You

Cal Macdonald (52:43.921)
but they did kind of shake up the folks in a little bit. So yeah, we get what you’re coming from there.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (52:48.097)
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s exciting. Like I love when people are trying to turn a genre on its head. You know, like I love the blending of genres. a lot of like I did when I did Cha Cha Cha. You know, I mean, that was like a EDM metal song that we took and turned it into an acoustic cover. And like, I love doing stuff like that. Like that was sort of the original genesis of the project was acoustic.

like acoustic music, acoustic covers of these pop songs, because I was trying to invoke this idea of like warriors in deep space on a long mission. And it’s like they’ve got some downtime. It’s like their shift is over. So they’re like, you know, sitting down in the mess hall with a, you know, thing of blood wine and somebody pulls out a Leshpaw and somebody pulls out a, you know, an inn, a drum and a guitar.

and they sit down and they start singing love songs of home and like pining for their loved ones. And so that was the original concept was a very stripped down. It’s also cheaper. And in those early days, I had no money. And so I had to like think cheap. so acoustic was cheaper than doing like a full drum kit and electric guitars and basses and keyboards and

It’s like, no, let’s keep it simple, stupid. And it was great.

Cal Macdonald (54:23.91)
just not far off time. So what I did have prepared, we’re gonna do a quick fire of all the panel. And I think Martin, I’m gonna start off with you with the first question. Add it’s Federation or Klingon Empire, and you’ve got to justify in one sentence.

Manny (54:41.478)
I thought I was going to ask a question. So you’re asking me the question and the question is. What’s the question? What would I like to see? would I like to see? Yeah. Hmm. I think I would like to see. A nice mix of both, you know. The federation, the federation is a bit pussy. I think we need some.

Cal Macdonald (54:47.649)
Yeah. Federation or Klingon Empire and you have to justify with just one sentence.

MacFuz (55:06.536)
Fence sitter

Manny (55:10.425)
some Klingon stuff in there to oust us up. So I think that a mix is my answer. Sorry. Sorry to disappoint there.

Cal Macdonald (55:13.872)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (55:20.22)
Okay. All right. Kieran, Federation or Klingon Empire and you’ve got one cent… Oh yes. I think this is going to be a resounding victory. Rob.

MacFuz (55:25.449)
Kingan mach!

Rob (55:33.077)
surprisingly cling on Empire because it’s steeped in honour.

Manny (55:39.712)
MacFuz (55:40.105)
Don’t forget the blood wine, the gach and the romantic poetry.

Cal Macdonald (55:40.472)
Alright. And… So, Is Jen going to surprise us with her answer?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (55:48.429)
Klingon Empire! You know, I mean, really, we’re warriors. End of story. Glory and honor.

Cal Macdonald (55:51.74)
Right.

Cal Macdonald (55:56.358)
Yeah. Okay. Next up, Enterprise or Defiant, Martin.

Manny (56:06.688)
I’m just too traditionalist. I’m going to go with the enterprises. It was the beginning. So, you know, that’s it.

Cal Macdonald (56:15.228)
Kieran, you’re up.

MacFuz (56:17.959)
Which version of the enterprise?

Cal Macdonald (56:20.688)
I’ll let you pick one if you go for the Enterprise.

MacFuz (56:23.597)
I’m on the fence there. Enterprise E, because I’ve always loved the sovereign classes, sleekness. But if it was a standard enterprise like any versus defiant, then arguably defiant.

Cal Macdonald (56:29.724)
Whoa.

Cal Macdonald (56:34.778)
Yeah. Interesting you said the E. I never heard anyone say they like the E. That’s the best. That’s a first. right. All right. Rob.

MacFuz (56:38.737)
I love the E, the sovereign’s my favorite.

Rob (56:43.871)
Defiant because it’s better at dealing with wormholes.

Manny (56:47.625)
no.

MacFuz (56:48.21)
yeah, that’s true. Also it’s designed to fight the Borg.

Cal Macdonald (56:49.021)
Yeah, was like literally Cisco’s just got pissed off at the Borgs where he built a ship just to go and blast them smithereens. Jen.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (57:02.765)
Yeah, I’m a big fan of the Defiant, honestly. It’s a lean, mean little ship that will mess you up. That is a Klingon ship.

MacFuz (57:09.897)
Mm-hmm.

MacFuz (57:13.939)
Yeah. I used to run a Star Trek role playing on Discord a while back and the first ship I ran was the Defiant.

Cal Macdonald (57:14.844)
All right. All right. Hi.

Cal Macdonald (57:24.928)
Alright, yep, it is not bad. next one. Favourite captain? Martin.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (57:26.203)
She’s a lean mean little fighting machine.

Manny (57:31.053)
Ooh.

Hmm. my God. I wish I’d seen these questions beforehand. Well, I’m going to say not Jonathan Archer, not that I’ve got anything against him, but he just always ends up in this kind of angsty, you know, fed up kind of mood, know, kind of moony thing. I think probably, probably Picard.

Cal Macdonald (57:42.14)
That’s the point, I wanted to surprise you all.

Cal Macdonald (58:06.613)
Alright, good answer. Kieren.

MacFuz (58:09.929)
Cisco because he would never leave his, his amphibian warp 10 fish babies abandoned. He would teach him baseball.

Cal Macdonald (58:21.5)
Rub.

Rob (58:23.392)
Chuck, Bay start chewing the scenery.

Cal Macdonald (58:29.297)
Jen, you’re up next.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (58:31.406)
My favorite cabinet, honestly, I am a Janeway stan. I love Captain Janeway. She was a warrior and she was put into an impossible situation where she had to make choices that no captain had ever really anticipated making and she did the best she could. And we don’t talk about salamander babies.

Cal Macdonald (58:36.027)
Alright.

MacFuz (58:55.215)
Mm-hmm. she was a badass.

Cal Macdonald (58:55.656)
Yeah, we’re not going to talk about the the big Delam. Or, or we don’t talk, or Tuvix. Yes, we’re not going there. We’re not, we’re not. I’m just, I’m going to do, I gotta say, I’m going to Cisco. Just because that episode Trouble with Troubles, where he’s talking about all the things he would like to ask Kirk about, the one of them is what was it like to fight the Gorn? So basically…

MacFuz (58:59.497)
Threshold! That was the episode! god, duvx, no.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (59:01.558)
or Tuvok or Tuvix. Yeah.

MacFuz (59:14.153)
Mmm.

Cal Macdonald (59:21.213)
On his mind, what’s it like to punch a giant lizard man in the face? That’s all he… That’s what he really wanted to know.

MacFuz (59:23.529)
Cisco is a fanboy that episode.

Manny (59:29.055)
comforting. For the chibis.

Cal Macdonald (59:29.466)
Yeah, he is. So here’s a good one. What’s your go-to Star Trek comfort episode? Not your best one, but the most comforting Martin.

If you’re feeling down and you just need to pick me up, what episode would you go for?

I’ll expand it to movie as well. You can an episode of our movie

Manny (59:56.593)
I don’t know, I’m going to go back to the original, I can’t remember the name of it, one of the band ones where the…

the aliens have got big heads and they’re just making us imagine that they’re shooting the rock, they’ve got the phaser cannons and they’re all blasting the shit out of this rock face and there’s no way they’re escaping. No, no, it’s one of the original series, it’s like episode one or two and it was originally not shown.

Rob (01:00:25.033)
I’m back to start going.

MacFuz (01:00:35.849)
Stop the Telochians!

Cal Macdonald (01:00:36.664)
the Toulousean’s the cage. Really, that’s quite a heavy episode, really.

Manny (01:00:37.112)
the solutions, the cage, that’s the one, yeah, the cage. then, know, no, I find it comforting because they went, we can’t be bothered with you, you’re like a virus, we’re not going to bother with you, we’ll leave you in peace, you know.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:00:37.838)
The cage, yeah.

MacFuz (01:00:39.449)
Yeah

Cal Macdonald (01:00:53.564)
Okay, that’s well you find your comfort when you find your comfort. Kieran.

MacFuz (01:00:53.833)
you

Manny (01:00:56.528)
Ha

MacFuz (01:01:00.305)
it’s a tricky one this. Because I can’t go to just any one episode as a pick me up. So in terms of pick me up, I’d probably go Wrath of Khan as the film. I really enjoyed Wrath of Khan because who doesn’t? But in terms of more like the emotional, the sort of episode that makes me cry, but with like good tears, like lovely, lovey dovey, not romantic tears, but know, familial tears is The Visitor from DS9. Because

Rob (01:01:27.625)
Mm.

Cal Macdonald (01:01:28.506)
Okay, yeah.

MacFuz (01:01:29.881)
I always think of my dad when I watch that episode and my dad’s watching this stream right now. And he said that he’s like really enjoying the episode tonight. So I’m going to give a shout out to my dad just now. But whenever I watch The Visitor, because it’s where Captain Sisko gets lost in time and basically Jake more or less grows up without his dad for a good period of time until he’s older man. But every time Captain Sisko comes back, he’s the same age.

Cal Macdonald (01:01:34.757)
Alright.

Cal Macdonald (01:01:40.486)
Alright.

Cal Macdonald (01:01:51.387)
Yeah.

MacFuz (01:01:57.395)
So the whole goal is to get Cisco back into his own reality. But it’s just the way that episode plans out is just…

Cal Macdonald (01:02:01.776)
Yeah. And it’s like, yeah. And it’s about how sometimes you just need to let go because that’s what stunts Cisco, Cisco Junior, should say. All right, cool. Rob, you’re up next.

MacFuz (01:02:08.509)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob (01:02:14.088)
Can you go with either a piece of the action, because I like the gangster element of that and the original crew being involved in it, or the magnificent Ferengi, which is just brilliant comedic take. It’s just the Ferengi’s in talk form.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:24.998)
I swear to…

MacFuz (01:02:29.097)
haha

of course, yeah, yeah. I hate Ferengi.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:32.204)
and Iggy Pop as well, what more do you want?

Rob (01:02:33.372)
and do.

No, no, no.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:02:42.862)
Next Gen Matter of Honor. It’s so much fun. That episode always makes me giggle every time the Klingons, the Klingon women hit on Riker. It’s just, you get such a lovely, I think it’s such a great insight into Klingon ship culture. And it is very funny. I love that sort of fish out of water.

MacFuz (01:02:45.979)
Of course.

Cal Macdonald (01:02:46.62)
MacFuz (01:02:55.805)
Hahaha

Cal Macdonald (01:02:56.838)
Yeah

MacFuz (01:03:08.905)
You

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:03:09.742)
kind of episode and how game Riker is for like everything that kind of gets thrown at him.

MacFuz (01:03:14.439)
Yeah

Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:18.148)
Yeah, for me, it’s a film, it’s first contact and just the ending of that, the actual first, the music swelling and it brings a tear and it’s just like, jeez, humans, this could be us if we just sorted out crap out. Like if we could, this could be us doing that, yeah. It’s just, yeah. Right, next up. Yeah.

MacFuz (01:03:20.969)
Yes.

MacFuz (01:03:31.238)
Mm-hmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:03:31.382)
Yeah. Yeah. Figure it out. I was like the episode that brings a tear to my eye is completely different. That’s the

Rob (01:03:44.027)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:03:45.339)
well, we could go there. Yeah, we’ll go there. We’ll go there. I didn’t have that one planned but Martin, episode that brings a tear to your eye.

MacFuz (01:03:49.577)
You’re welcome.

Manny (01:03:50.806)
I told you never to mention it again. It’s too soon to talk about Tasha Yar and that black pet monster. Don’t talk to me about it.

MacFuz (01:03:58.121)
you

Cal Macdonald (01:03:58.832)
Oh, again! Yeah. Yeah. Oh, think Kennedy got the same rant from Kieran.

MacFuz (01:04:11.529)
I was saying this is I mentioned before the visitor so…

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:04:15.628)
Nope.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:15.757)
All right, okay, Rob.

Rob (01:04:17.455)
in the pale moonlight which yeah classic classic DS9

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:04:20.109)
Mmm. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:20.493)
Ooh, that’s a.

MacFuz (01:04:20.777)
yeah, yeah, that’s a good guess

Cal Macdonald (01:04:25.424)
Yeah. Jen, what’s your tearjerker?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:04:27.35)
Yeah, mine is a DS nine. Mine’s a DS nine video or episode as well. It’s once more unto the breach. I had a my grandmother had dementia when she was passed when she passed and there’s something really she was a fierce little woman and there’s something really incredible about that episode just like that idea of what happens to an aging warrior when they can’t fight anymore and it never fails to like

MacFuz (01:04:34.857)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:04:35.276)
yeah.

MacFuz (01:04:50.921)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:04:54.406)
bring like that moment when core like just goes out in that blaze of frickin glory and is like it’s so it’s a really moving episode.

MacFuz (01:04:57.737)
Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:00.091)
Yeah.

Manny (01:05:01.488)
you .

MacFuz (01:05:02.937)
I asked someone where Martok at the end, he originally had a sort of vendetta against Khor, but then by the end of it, they sang him basically a funeral song, didn’t they?

Cal Macdonald (01:05:11.184)
Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:05:13.429)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:14.012)
Yeah. For me, Far Beyond the Stars, I just, it’s that moment at the end where you just start to hear his voice quiver and you just know it’s about to come. Even though you know it’s coming, it’s just so impactful, that episode. Like you could talk about that, you could analyze that episode in so many ways, I think. And it’s sadly all too relevant still, that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Manny (01:05:28.92)
Ooh. Ooh.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:05:37.449)
Yeah. They had a lot of good episodes like that in Deep Space Nine.

MacFuz (01:05:42.313)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:44.248)
Up next, Martin, your favorite Klingon.

Cal Macdonald (01:05:49.54)
Now, you’ve got to be mindful of your company tonight as well, I think. Being a Vulcan as well, you know.

Manny (01:05:54.518)
I think.

Manny (01:05:58.144)
I think Gin Bomb. Yes, Gin Bomb is my current favourite Klingon.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:02.108)
yes

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:06:04.319)
No, no, no, no, no, no,

Manny (01:06:05.303)
Yeah.

Manny (01:06:09.004)
They’re good? That’s my favorite kind of…

Cal Macdonald (01:06:10.844)
You’re with it. He’s not gonna shift on that. Right, Kieran.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:06:14.093)
Lean in. That’s great.

MacFuz (01:06:16.713)
the big man himself for I mean general Martok now Chancellor Martok and come on I actually sort of grew up but prior to DS 9 I grew up on playing a lot of Star Trek or Mata 2 and he is the main guy you play as in the camp in the Klingon campaign and just hearing his laugh when you just press the cloak button it’s just

Cal Macdonald (01:06:22.63)
Alright.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:37.317)
Alright.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:06:40.681)
Hahaha!

Cal Macdonald (01:06:41.148)
And he’s also awesome in real life. So J.J. Herzler. He is such a cool guy. Rob.

MacFuz (01:06:46.717)
Yeah, JG Hertzler.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:06:47.229)
Yeah.

Rob (01:06:50.017)
Yes, Martok as well. He’s the Klingon’s Klingon. He’s the most relatable, I think. Close contest, so it’s a big soft spot for Worf. no, has to be Martok.

Cal Macdonald (01:06:52.87)
No, I’m…

MacFuz (01:06:53.789)
Mm-hmm.

MacFuz (01:07:00.613)
Mm-hmm.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:01.222)
Yeah.

MacFuz (01:07:04.105)
Uh-huh.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:04.572)
But yeah, you actually see Martok win a few fights and like war. Jen, your favourite Klingon.

MacFuz (01:07:07.335)
yeah, he’s a badass.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:07:11.885)
The joke answer is Jed Zia Dax. Who I think is a better Klingon than Wharf most days. But the real answer, the real Klingon answer for me, I absolutely love that episode. Shoot, I can’t remember the episode name off the top of my head with Grylka. House of Quark, House of Quark.

MacFuz (01:07:15.228)
of course, yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:15.76)
I am.

MacFuz (01:07:21.202)
Yeah

MacFuz (01:07:35.753)
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s a good episode.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:36.949)
yes, Krilka here.

Rob (01:07:38.274)
Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:07:40.897)
Bless bless her heart bless her heart. Take it over her house. I love that.

MacFuz (01:07:42.471)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:07:47.718)
I’m actually going to go because he was sort of the original. It was Commander Krug from Star Trek 3 because he was basically, he set the template for all the Klingon cosplayers basically. There’s a lot to him and he was the first one to actually properly speak Klingon on screen in sentences.

MacFuz (01:07:53.525)
OOOH YES CHRISTOPHER LLOYD

Manny (01:07:54.884)
Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:07:55.445)
Yep.

MacFuz (01:07:58.227)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:08:00.834)
Okay.

MacFuz (01:08:06.781)
Yeah, he was. Yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:08:07.117)
Yeah, yeah he was. He cared too. actually like Mark will tell that story. He really like cared about getting it right. So yeah.

Rob (01:08:07.871)
Yeah, yeah.

Manny (01:08:09.881)
Hmm.

Cal Macdonald (01:08:17.488)
Yep. So what else do we have? All right. And this one, very quick. Favorite Klingon episode. Martin.

Manny (01:08:33.528)
Hmm. That’s too hard. Go around the others and come back to me on that one.

MacFuz (01:08:37.843)
Yeah

Cal Macdonald (01:08:39.356)
Alright, Kieran.

MacFuz (01:08:40.813)
Well, I think the first one that pops to mind, well, it’s hard to kind of really pick, but I think when the Klingons were either laying siege to DS9, but another one that pops to mind is when I think Worf is on the Ritarran. He’s like second commander to Martok. He tries to rile them up and even attempting a Coykilla Spook Lord.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:01.456)
Yes. yeah.

MacFuz (01:09:10.409)
Yeah, get them on the go.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:11.004)
Rob, get up.

Rob (01:09:15.012)
Yes, already been mentioned, I’m going to go with House of Quark because the thing is, it’s the comedic element of it with Quark as a Klingon and Gryllca and I just think that’s perfect.

MacFuz (01:09:18.512)
Yeah

Cal Macdonald (01:09:19.58)
MacFuz (01:09:27.379)
Mm.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:28.668)
Jen, your favourite Klingon episode?

Manny (01:09:29.33)
I’m completely lost on that one. I have no idea.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:09:30.985)
It really is once more onto the breach. that one is, it’s the one that brings a tear to my eye, but it’s also one of my favorites.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:33.668)
Okay.

MacFuz (01:09:35.059)
Hmm.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:39.11)
Yeah. I think it’s We Are The Warrior for me. That is just epic, epic. And Klingon’s applied to you in that one. So with that, I think we’ll finish off with this one. so we haven’t got Martin’s. Martin.

MacFuz (01:09:49.873)
got Martin. Are you still thinking Martin?

MacFuz (01:09:55.945)
Too much Klingon.

Cal Macdonald (01:09:57.616)
Do you need a mind melt? Do you need a mind melt here?

Manny (01:09:59.089)
Exactly. I do want to ask another question to Jen though, if I can, which is where, how can we find out where you might be in 2026 or 2027 without appearing, you like we’re stalking you to find out if you’re going to be at a convention or something, you know, like I’ve got cousins in Toronto. So if you were going to be at a

Cal Macdonald (01:10:09.848)
Yeah, we’ll let you, yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:10:20.173)
you

Cal Macdonald (01:10:23.164)
Yeah

Manny (01:10:27.728)
a convention in Toronto or something, you know, I might go there. But how can we find out where you’re performing in 26, 27?

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:10:40.055)
thing on popwarrior.com is probably the easiest way to remember me and find me. I’ve got links there. usually have like a latest news thing at the top that’ll tell you the next convention or perform live performance that I’m going to be at. I think I’m I’m just some stuff just got added recently. So I have to update it. It’s also got links to all of my social media. You can find me on Spotify, Amazon, iTunes, all the things to find my music. Band

camp is the one that gives us the best margin just as a for any musician. So follow it like all your favorite indie musicians go to band camp if they’ve got a band camp. And yeah, I’m on I’m on a lot. basically am on every social media. If I’m not at Klingon Pop Warrior, I’m at Klingon Pop on pretty much everything. And yeah.

Cal Macdonald (01:11:31.836)
Alright. Alright, that was actually quite well timed there Martin. A good way to finish us out. So, just any final thoughts guys? Just a big thanks to Jen for coming on. It’s been a blast. We’ve loved it. I don’t think… Alright. Okay, that’s great.

Manny (01:11:31.862)
Okay.

MacFuz (01:11:35.365)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:11:36.621)
You

MacFuz (01:11:42.948)
yeah, absolutely.

Rob (01:11:46.038)
Yeah, thank you.

MacFuz (01:11:50.36)
Unless we want to sing off, but you know. man man man man a

Cal Macdonald (01:11:53.203)
Hahaha!

Cal Macdonald (01:12:00.956)
You

Cal Macdonald (01:12:10.032)
Whoa! That’s the best way to say it. Thank you everyone for tuning in and we’ll see you again next time. And big thanks to Jen again for coming along.

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:12:10.541)
You

MacFuz (01:12:14.064)
you

MacFuz (01:12:18.281)
Kapla!

Jenbom (Jen Usellis) (01:12:21.781)
HAPLA BATSCHE!

Manny (01:12:22.029)
Kapaa!

Rob (01:12:24.629)
Right.